“Don’t count on motivation; count on discipline.” – Jocko Willink
Jocko Willink (@jockowillink) is one of the scariest human beings imaginable. Jocko did his first interview with me (find it here), and it took the Internet by storm. Now he joins us for round two to answer the questions you’ve been asking.
Jocko is a lean 230 pounds. He is a Brazilian jiu-jitsu expert who used to tap out 20 Navy SEALs per workout. He is a legend in the Special Operations world. His eyes look through you more than at you.
Jocko spent 20 years in the US Navy and commanded SEAL Team 3’s task unit Bruiser, the most highly decorated special operations unit in the Iraq War. Upon returning to the US, Jocko served as the officer in charge of training for all West Coast SEAL teams, designing and implementing some of the most challenging and realistic — and perhaps psychotic — combat training in the world (his words, not mine).
After retiring from the Navy, he co-founded Echelon Front, a leadership and management consulting company and authored the number one New York Times bestseller Extreme Ownership: How US Navy SEALs Lead and Win.
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Want to hear another podcast episode with Jocko? — Listen to our first interview together. Jocko might be the scariest Navy SEAL alive, and this episode shares how he earned that reputation. Learn what he taught me (stream below or right-click here to download):
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Selected Links from the Episode
- Connect with Jocko and his organizations on Twitter:
- Connect with Jocko and his organizations on Facebook:
- The Scariest Navy SEAL Imaginable…And What He Taught Me (Jocko’s first appearance on the show)
- Extreme Ownership: How US Navy SEALs Lead and Win by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin
- Learn more about Victory MMA and Fitness, Jocko Willink’s gym in San Diego
- Seeking solutions in business or leadership? Check out Echelon Front
- About Face: The Odyssey of an American Warrior by Colonel David H. Hackworth and Julie Sherman
- With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa by E.B. Sledge
- Beyond Band of Brothers: The War Memoirs of Major Dick Winters by Dick Winters and Cole C. Kingseed
- I Remember The Last War by Bob Hoffman
- Steel My Soldiers’ Hearts: The Hopeless to Hardcore Transformation of U.S. Army, 4th Battalion, 39th Infantry, Vietnam by Col. David H. Hackworth
- Platoon Leader: A Memoir of Command in Combat by James R. McDonough
- The Killing Zone: My Life in the Vietnam War by Frederick Downs, Jr.
- charity: water helps people in developing parts of the world get access to the potable water Jocko talks about.
- United States Armed Forces oath of enlistment
- The Joe Rogan Experience #729 with Jocko Willink
- Nuremberg trials
- Extreme Ownership Muster Event
- The Second Battle of Ramadi
- Brazilian jiu-jitsu
- Indirect approach
- How does Jocko shut down internal doubt and negative chatter during critical moments? [06:54]
- How Jocko’s love of literature influence his leadership skills — and his most recommended books. [12:05]
- Jocko’s advice to young men and women who are no longer in the military but are still looking to contribute. [18:41]
- Thoughts on “being a pawn of the industrial military complex to serve the economic interests of US corporations?” [22:36]
- On the United States’ use of resources. [28:52]
- The hardest thing Jocko has ever endured. [33:59]
- What advice would Jocko give an active duty member of the military after election day (presumably if their candidate of choice is not elected)? [35:23]
- The most effective way to get leaders to stop supporting ineffective practices. [38:05]
- How would Jocko’s life of extreme discipline translate to those involved in creative pursuits? [42:13]
- After working with and training so many companies, are there any repeating patterns or common weaknesses that business owners seem to need to work on? [46:46]
- What is Jocko’s approach for overcoming personal challenges? [51:37]
- How can you stay motivated when every day is a struggle? [55:05]
- How does Jocko feel about killing (sometimes innocent) people at war? How does he feel about war in general? [1:00:40]
- The biggest lessons from jiu-jitsu that transcend fighting and can be applied to leadership. [1:10:23]
- Hillary Clinton
- Donald Trump
- Barack Obama
- Richard M. Nixon
- John F. Kennedy
- Ronald Reagan
- Joe Rogan
- Leif Babin
Posted on: September 21, 2016.
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