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The Random Show — Tim and Kevin Talk Retreats, Mortality, AI Predictions, Supplements, Rock Climbing at (Almost) 50, and Not Waiting for “Someday” (#875)

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In this edition of The Random Show, Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose reunite over tequila to talk Zen retreats, learning to rock climb at (almost) 50, mortality and grief, why you should stop saying “one day,” AI predictions, and much more.

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The Random Show — Tim and Kevin Talk Retreats, Mortality, AI Predictions, Supplements, Rock Climbing at (Almost) 50, and Not Waiting for Someday

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Connect with Kevin Rose:

Website | Digg | Diggnation Podcast | Instagram | X | Threads | Bluesky

Connect with Tim Ferriss:

Website | 5-Bullet Friday | Saisei Foundation | Instagram | X

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Timestamps

  • [00:00:00] Start.
  • [00:00:24] A tequila toast, and getting “taxed” by alcohol as you age.
  • [00:02:18] Toaster at 15: a late-night health scare.
  • [00:06:01] Losing Om Malik, and finding out on retreat.
  • [00:08:03] Matt Mullenweg, Antarctica, and gratitude.
  • [00:09:34] Coming to terms with our limited time on Earth.
  • [00:14:37] Five days of silence and the koan “Mu.”
  • [00:15:20] Kevin’s micro-insight and a plug for The Way.
  • [00:27:25] Rock climbing after 40, and a Yosemite goal.
  • [00:29:18] Michael Eckert and finger-strength training.
  • [00:30:40] The Nug, Abrahangs, and a travel training kit.
  • [00:32:57] Free Solo and climbing with a fear of heights.
  • [00:37:53] The Blade Itself, and a friend lost in a plane crash.
  • [00:39:19] A2 protein and Pioneer Pastures.
  • [00:40:34] Maui Nui venison and the nitrate question.
  • [00:43:48] deltaG ketones: what they are and the catch.
  • [00:45:42] Ketones, dementia, and verbal fluidity.
  • [00:46:29] Pre-grieving a parent’s decline.
  • [00:48:33] Training not to die: the one bike I can stand and the Norwegian 4×4.
  • [00:51:10] Something beats nothing: saunas, treadmills, and Duolingo chess.
  • [00:53:04] The MM120 anxiety study — and a small-world surprise.
  • [00:56:17] Psilocybin, LSD, and dementia case reports.
  • [01:01:28] Neutonic toothpicks and Kevin’s AI-powered home.
  • [01:06:12] Spooky AI personalization and investment autopsies.
  • [01:17:38] Values cards, contractual bonds, and dark information.
  • [01:23:25] 360 reviews and child-rearing.
  • [01:24:54] Wispr Flow, Shokz, and my recording rig.
  • [01:29:32] The “big three” and where AI goes next.
  • [01:44:40] Let your winners run; buy the company, not the product.
  • [01:51:08] Digg’s relaunch, 5-Bullet Friday, and parting thoughts.

Want to hear the last time Kevin and I got together for a Random Show? Listen to our Couch Edition, in which Kevin and I discussed our Zen retreat with Henry Shukman, DIY vagus nerve stimulation, my Bertolotti’s Syndrome back-pain breakthrough, balance boards and slacklining, Emil Abrahamsson’s tendon-strengthening protocol, photobiomodulation and urolithin A for mitochondria, blood-flow-restriction training, the Norwegian 4×4 protocol, vintage Japanese finds on Etsy, Kevin’s hummingbird-feeder obsession, and much more.

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4 Comments
Nate
Nate
20 days ago

Tim, any chance you could share the exact prompt you used to get ideas about what projects you could explore doing in the next 5 years? I love the Random Shows! I’ve never missed one since the pre-podcast episodes. I feel like I’m growing old with you guys. I’m sure people at the gym wonder what I’m listening to that I keep laughing while I’m trying to work out 🙂 Take care!

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Paul
Paul
16 days ago

any chance you could do a follow up on apoe4? know you have one of the genes, but some of us have 2 and trying to source some sort of best practices for 2026.. or anything we could proactively do in our 40s

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Wolf
Wolf
16 days ago

Please don’t make, Bonds Kev kev. lol.

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Rodney
Rodney
12 days ago

Hi Tim, because you & Kevin sometimes like to enjoy an adult beverage when you do the Random Show, I am giving a shout out for a friend of mine, Cooper, who recently released an extremely worthy non-alcoholic drink with a sweet ride, that goes away with no issues for sleeping, and doesn’t borrow from tomorrow.
It is called the Social Formula and the hero ingredient is Kanna, a succulent from Africa that has been used for gatherings and celebrations in various African cultures for eons. You can check it out here, TheCreativeDepartment.com/products/social-formula
And, FWIW, I feel Cooper would be a fAwesome interview for you. His journey is full of grit & grind, he is still young, and building his company right now. People would like to hear from someone still in the mix, who looks like they will do well, however they haven’t quite gotten there yet.
Hope you dig his new drink! Always appreciate your work!!
All the Best ~ Rodney

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