Technologist, serial entrepreneur, world-class investor, self-experimenter, and all-around wild and crazy guy Kevin Rose (@KevinRose) rejoins me for another episode of “The Random Show.” In this one, we wax poetic over wildlife friends and foes, the folly of facing off against Mike Tyson (even in his 50s), slow donkeys, universal basic income (UBI), breaking the pandemic pajama routine, smoked meats and Wi-Fi grills, Zen and the art of Kevin maintenance, how to hike without being hunted, hoity-toity beer, pandemic investing, and much more.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
- Connect with Kevin Rose:
The Kevin Rose Show | Oak Meditation | Zero | Instagram | Twitter
- Past Episodes of The Random Show | The Tim Ferriss Show
- American Black Bear | National Geographic
- How to Train an Otter | Aquarium of the Bay
- Kevin’s Raccoon Toss | YouTube
- Grizzly Bear | National Wildlife Federation
- Bear Spray Demonstration and Safety Tips | Yellowstone Forever
- ElimiTick Pants | Amazon
- GORUCK | The Rucking Company
- Weighted Vests | Amazon
- The 4 Hour Body: An Uncommon Guide to Rapid Fat Loss, Incredible Sex and Becoming Superhuman by Timothy Ferriss
- CrossFit Games
- What is Judo? | Online Dojo
- Spaceballs | Prime Video
- “I’m Back!” Mike Tyson Hitting Pads at Age 53 | Global Boxing TV
- OMG! Mike Tyson Still Terrifying on the Mitts! Throws Explosive Combinations Training for Comeback | Global Boxing TV
- The Dangers of Boxing Injuries | Verywell Fit
- Early Onset/Younger-Onset Alzheimer’s | Alzheimer’s Association
- Where Evel Knievel Never Soared: A Wallenda Flies Over the Grand Canyon | Indian Country Today
- Indian Python Swallows Goat Whole | Truly
- Best of Parkour and Freerunning | StuntsAmazing
- Mike Tyson vs. Roy Jones Jr. Exhibition Fight Delayed | CBS Sports
- Mike Tyson on Smoking DMT | ESPN
- Coronavirus (COVID-19) Events as They Happen | WHO
- Predicting Hospital Capacity: Why to Act Early, How to Think About Lag Time, and a Model You Can Use | tim.blog
- Emergency Technique: How to Increase Ventilator Capacity 2–4x in 10 Minutes | tim.blog
- How to Support Healthcare Workers Now — Plus Urgent Suggestions for Uber Eats, Hilton, Amazon, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show #416
- Coronavirus Vaccine Tracker | The New York Times
- Anti-Vaccine Activists Latch Onto Coronavirus To Bolster Their Movement | Kaiser Health News
- Getting Vaccinated for the Flu This Year Is Particularly Important, Who Officials Say | CNN
- Who Really Stands to Win from Universal Basic Income? | The New Yorker
- 7 Great TED Talks for Basic Income | Matt Orfalea, Medium
- OpenAI API
- OpenAI’s Latest Breakthrough Is Astonishingly Powerful, but Still Fighting Its Flaws | The Verge
- OpenAI’s New Language Generator GPT-3 Is Shockingly Good—and Completely Mindless | MIT Technology Review
- “I Actually Think GPT-3 Could Change Everything” | Chris Sacca, Twitter Twitter
- Grand Theft Auto V | Rockstar Games
- Siri | Apple
- Timeline: A Day-to-Day Recap of Portland Protests | KGW
- The Original Muck Boot Company
- How to Take a Digital Detox during the COVID-19 Pandemic | BBC Worklife
- Pocket Casts
- Apple Music
- Waking Up with Sam Harris
- Strong Workout Tracker
- Dexcom Continuous Glucose Monitoring
- Less Alcohol Tracker
- MasterClass Online Classes
- Personal Capital
- Financial Times
- The Wall Street Journal
- Clarity Money
- Simplify Financial Planning
- Home | Apple
- Traeger Grills
- Maui Nui Venison
- The Axis Deer, and How They’re Impacting Parts of the United States | Wide Open Spaces
- Crowd Cow
- Heart Rate Variability: A New Way to Track Well-Being | Harvard Health Blog
- The Breathing App | Eddie Stern
- Normal Blood Oxygen Level: What’s Normal for Me? | Healthline
- Parasympathetic Nervous System | ScienceDirect Topics
- Lyme Disease | CDC
- Brain-Derived Neurotrophic Factor | ScienceDirect Topics
- Spark: The Revolutionary New Science of Exercise and the Brain by John J. Ratey and Eric Hagerman
- Henry Shukman: The Mysterious/Unsolvable Zen Koans | The Kevin Rose Show
- What Is a Koan? | New World Encyclopedia
- One Blade of Grass: Finding the Old Road of the Heart, a Zen Memoir by Henry Shukman
- San Francisco Zen Center
- Mountain Cloud Zen Center
- The Surrender Experiment: My Journey into Life’s Perfection by Michael A. Singer
- How To Meditate: Zazen Instructions | Zen Mountain Monastery
- Transcendental Meditation (TM)
- Why Taking Ayahuasca Is like Having a Near-Death Experience | New Scientist
- Quickening Scene | Highlander
- Pique Tea
- Laird Superfood Coffee Creamer
- onX Hunt App
- The Beginner’s Guide to Intermittent Fasting | James Clear
- Top 250 Rated Beers | BeerAdvocate
- Kentucky Brunch Brand Stout | Toppling Goliath Brewing Co.
- My Beer Collectibles
- Pliny the Elder | Russian River Brewing Company
- SR-71 | Toppling Goliath Brewing Co.
- Julius IPA | Tree House Brewing Company
- Geocities Archive Mirror
- Trial By Fire | Vimeo
- Saddle (Kura) | Japanese | The Met
- Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll
- 5-Bullet Friday
- Billionaire Chamath Palihapitiya on How To Invest in This Crisis | Pomp Podcast #256
- Index Fund | Investopedia
- Square Cash App
- Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd. (TSM) | MarketWatch
- The PlayStation 5 vs. Xbox Series X: Which is Better for You? | The Washington Post
- ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ Launches Exclusive Partnership with Spotify | Spotify
- Amazon Web Services (AWS)
- Stock Pick | Investopedia
- Should You Buy Gold Or Bitcoin? | Investopedia
- iShares Gold Trust (IAU)
- Bitcoin vs Ethereum — Which is Better? | Benzinga
- What an ETF Is and How to Buy Them | Investopedia
- Mad Max | Prime Video
- Investing for Everyone | Robinhood
- 20-Year-Old Robinhood Customer Dies By Suicide After Seeing A $730,000 Negative Balance | Forbes
- Hugh Jackman on Best Decisions, Daily Routines, The 85% Rule, Favorite Exercises, Mind Training, and Much More | The Tim Ferriss Show #444
- Checking in from our respective dungeons and bear caves, where we’re learning to either coexist with the local wildlife or fend it off when necessary. [04:56]
- I want to run, but it bothers my knees. This is what I do instead. [08:04]
- Kevin’s in his 40s and he can’t cough without tweaking his back, but Mike Tyson’s about to go back in the ring at age 54. Would I fight the former heavyweight champ for $200 million? [13:25]
- How have Kevin and I been coping with pandemic life since our last podcast together when lockdowns were just beginning? Is there light at the end of the tunnel, or are we in for a “slow donkey?” [22:08]
- Thoughts on the merits of universal basic income (UBI) and dwindling job opportunities in an increasingly AI-automated world. [27:42]
- How the Roses are staying sane and “breaking the pajama routine” in pandemic-stricken and civil unrest epicenter Portland, and what I’ve gained by changing from an urban to a rural setting. [33:29]
- Why Kevin and I have largely disconnected from social media and nagging apps during this time, along with the exceptions and rules that still keep us somewhat in touch with the grid without being drained by it. [35:29]
- Our parallel lives continue on another front: the Traeger grill. Here are the meats we’ve been responsibly enjoying with its assistance. [41:16]
- Why cooking is a great hobby for breaking up the monotony of self-quarantining. [49:53]
- HRV and breathwork practices I’ve been experimenting with, and how I hope they’ll help me overcome some longer-term fatigue issues that haunt me. [50:50]
- Kevin’s most recent forays into meditation and Zen. [56:21]
- A peek at Pique tea for peak performance. [01:11:53]
- How I keep from getting shot as an accidental trespasser when I go hiking in the boundless wilderness. [1:15:00]
- Kevin shares his pandemic intermittent fasting — and beer critique — regimens. [1:18:53]
- I’m not much for self-congratulation, but here’s the one time Kevin’s seen me splurge on something for myself. [1:26:45]
- Neither of us is a registered investment advisor, and this is not investment advice, but this is how we’ve each been thinking about and personally navigating the stock market during this pandemic. [1:31:07]
- Kevin’s thoughts on buying gold vs. cryptocurrency. [1:52:20]
- Parting thoughts. [2:00:55]
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14 Replies to “The Random Show — Zen, Investing, Mike Tyson, Artificial Intelligence, and the World’s Best Beers (#453)”
great episode….but the beginning of many sentences were cut off. It sounded like the gate was set to high.
Have you ever heard of Mo Gawdat? He’s the former CBO of GoogleX and author of Solve For Happy and I believe he would make an excellent guest for your show.
He also has his own podcast called Slo Mo. It’s worth listening too and you would make an excellent guest on his show.
I liked the short discussion on Rucking. I picked up their backpack and a 20 pound weight. I walk daily and have been looking for something like this. I started laughing when I imagined you walking with that weighted vest.
Great episode, fellas! One note, but I grew up about 20 minutes close to Tree House Brewing Company, and honestly, nearly everything they make is regarded as the top beer in its class, especially with its IPAs and shelf stable stouts.That being said, next time you make it to the east coast I highly recommend dropping by Hill Farmstead in Vermont (or at least hunting down a bottle of their Farmstead Ale). I particularly recommend this for Tim, as their Farmstead Ale is fermented in a way that provides a natural carbonation, resulting in a beer that is more comparable to a find wine and a champagne, rather than just, well beer. Either way, I certainly recommend Tree House Brewing Company and Hill Farmstead as two of the top breweries in the world.
Keep up the great work- stay healthy and well!
This was such a fun conversation to be a fly on the wall.. it was sweet, funny, informative, deep, silly.. everything a good friendship is.. would much rather see/hear/feel connection in these times than tips/tricks/hacks, though thanks for it all! Have enjoyed many many of your conversations Tim! Also, about good TV (thanks for your rec “The Good Place”) and being 43 (as I am) and throwing backs (as I tend to do), do watch “3Below” on Netflix. I chanced upon it to watch with my 8 year old. Nick Offerman as the glorious Varvatos Vex has us laughing out loud!! Really smart.. so well written. Await your next book. You’re getting better with time, Tim 🙂
Relatively new listener, love the podcast so far. I have to mention though, if you have heard Sam Harris where he explains his subscription model and how he never wants fans to have to question if part of the show is an ad. This random episode was great, except where you were talking about specific products, I couldn’t help but wonder how much of it was an ad. from what I’ve heard of you so far, you seem pretty transparent, but I got to say, it kind of turned me off of those sections.
Take care – Rob m.
Do you have anymore info on the hyper reactive heart rate?
A couple of questions.
Did Kevin share his Salmon recipe for the Traeger? Would love to have it.
And can you share how you’re preparing the cuts of meats or the recipes you’re using for Maui Nui?
Thanks as always for the show!
Tim, thank you for all the love you give to your guests and the excellence you offer as inspiration in every episode you produce. I also want to acknowledge and listen to a faith I can’t explain. I sent you a tool in an email that came ‘ through me’ regarding your continually mentioning complacency in many of your episodes over the past year. I think I sense something that you are trying to tell yourself but don’t have the words for. If you’re curious and open to lean into your own faith in the unfamiliar…cross search reference your Tim email and search for a tool to to change your mind about complacency as subject. That email and the tool sent with it for you as a gift might be a new drug trip for you to explore that offers a gift beyond your imagination and experiences thus far. Whatever you choose, there is only love for you, wishing you a feeling of wonder this morning, Mark
Hey Tim I was just watching this episode, your comments on the negative impact to brands when Amazon moved to essential products only was spot on. Brands that were not set up to sell direct to consumer via their websites were left with no ability to sell via Amazon and no ability to sell at brick and mortar since the majority were closed.
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Great episode as usual, love the Random Shows!
Your fatigue issue. Not a huge chance you catch this comment Tim. But when I heard you suffered from fatigue while consuming moderate amounts of meat I just wanted to share how I overcame this myself and point to a possible solution.
Early 30s, couldn’t recover from an intermediate exercise session within 24 hours and thought I had heart issues. Turned out my flirtation with veganism combined with a genetic deficiency to synth zinc was the culprit. Started eating more red meat (ground and organs mostly) and supplementing with zinc (picolinate). All of a sudden I was 30 again. Few small adjustments lead to big changes, this one did. Magnesium is usually hailed as the most important mineral nowadays. It’s not, it’s zinc.
thanks for the cool write up tim. As an ex boxer was good to read.
I liked that episode. Good discussion. Also follow your podcast on Spotify
Waiting for another Random Show. Love you guys!
Saludos desde Buenos Aires