“The answer is either yes or no. If it’s ‘no,’ then I have to start over.” – Joshua Skenes
Joshua Skenes (IG: @jskenes) has become famous for his use of fire.
As chef-owner of Saison in San Francisco (three Michelin stars), he has classical training and loves his high-end Japanese Nenohi knives, but nothing captures his imagination quite like the open flame. The back of his business card sports three words, stark on ivory stock:
Play with fire.
In this episode, we explore his obsessions: simplicity, food, and martial arts.
We became friends during the collaboration of The 4-Hour Chef, and this was a long overdue catch-up. Enjoy!
If you only have five minutes, listen to how he dealt with a last-minute catastrophe involving a sewage water flood.
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Scroll below for links and show notes…
Selected Links from the Episode
- Check out Nenohi Knives
- Learn more about Tang Soo Do and Baguazhang
- Watch Meat Eater with Steve Rinella
- Learn more about Kam Lee
- Watch Chef’s Table (Francis Mallmann Trailer)
- Seven Fires by Francis Mallmann
- The Mission Chinese Food by Danny Bowien and Chris Ying
- Escape to River Cottage
- Cocktail Techniques by Kazuo Uyeda
- 12 Gems of the Pacific Northwest Coast
- Learn more about Cliff Hodges and survival skills
- 9 Tricks for Getting a VIP Table
- Connect with Joshua Skenes:
- What does the back of your business card currently say? [5:08]
- Earliest memories of martial arts combined with cooking [6:22]
- How do you use fire and why do you use it? [9:15]
- Defining freshness in food [10:57]
- On hunting, becoming a vegan, and returning to meat [13:05]
- On studying bagua [18:19]
- The impact of martial arts on Joshua Skenes’s cooking [22:53]
- On reducing and simplifying [25:29]
- What do you say to yourself when you get good or bad reviews? [29:08]
- Describing the most exciting developments in cooking now [31:00]
- Joshua Skenes’s biggest influences or mentors [33:46]
- Starting Saison, the toughest times and catastrophe management [37:07]
- Training and prep-talk for new members of the Saison staff [45:30]
- The subway story [49:03]
- Thoughts on Francis Mallmann and Chef’s Table [50:05]
- Most gifted books [53:50]
- When you think of the word ‘successful,’ who is the first person who comes to mind and why? [56:18]
- What is the most joy that you’ve felt in recent memory [57:35]
- If you could pick anywhere outside the US to immerse yourself in the woods, where would you pick? [58:50]
- Morning rituals [1:04:35]
- Discussing the value of martial arts and becoming an immovable mountain [1:05:57]
- Advice to your thirty-year-old self [1:17:20]
- Where would you like to have food that you have not yet had food? [1:22:00]
- Why the 80’s? You’re always playing 80’s music [1:28:31]
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