“According to [James D.] Fearon, if the two sides have different opinions about what’s going to happen, then you go to war because you don’t have perfect information about the outcome.”— Noah Feldman
I rarely cover current events on this podcast, but this is a new experiment.
To avoid overwhelm, I do not track the news 24/7 with doom scrolling. Rather, I depend on conversations with my smartest friends to find the signal in the noise. The following exchange with Noah Feldman (@NoahRFeldman) is an example of such a conversation, very similar to what we would have offline, and I wanted to share it with you. I learned a ton and changed my thinking a lot, which I always do.
Noah Feldman is a Harvard professor, ethical philosopher and advisor, public intellectual, religious scholar and historian, and author of 10 books, including his latest, The Broken Constitution: Lincoln, Slavery, and the Refounding of America. You can find my interview with him at tim.blog/noah.
Noah is the founder of Ethical Compass, which helps clients like Facebook and eBay improve ethical decision-making by creating and implementing new governance solutions. Noah conceived and designed the Facebook Oversight Board and continues to advise Facebook on ethics and governance issues.
Feldman is host of the Deep Background podcast, a policy and public affairs columnist for Bloomberg Opinion, and a former contributing writer for The New York Times. He served as senior constitutional advisor to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq and subsequently advised members of the Iraqi Governing Council on the drafting of Iraq’s interim constitution.
He earned his A.B. summa cum laude from Harvard, finishing first in his class. Selected as a Rhodes Scholar, he earned a DPhil from Oxford University, writing his dissertation on Aristotle’s Ethics. He received his JD from Yale Law School and clerked for Justice David Souter of the US Supreme Court.
He is the author of 10 books, including Divided by God: America’s Church-State Problem—and What We Should Do About It; What We Owe Iraq: War and the Ethics of Nation Building; Cool War: The United States, China, and the Future of Global Competition; Scorpions: The Battles and Triumphs of FDR’s Great Supreme Court Justices; and The Three Lives of James Madison: Genius, Partisan, President.
Please let me know what you think of this experimental format by sending me feedback on Twitter @tferriss. Do you love it? Do you hate it? Have suggestions for improvement? The usual long-form interviews with evergreen questions will still be the default and bread and butter of this podcast, but if you like this, I could see doing more of them, perhaps once a month or once every two months. It’s just an easy way to get caught up without drowning in news.
NOTE: This episode was recorded on June 22nd.
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Want to hear my first conversation with Noah Feldman on this show? Listen here as we discuss achieving post-childhood language fluency, caffeine-free existence, “failing” at therapy, pre-Civil War interpretation of the US Constitution, circumstances that require trusting the untrustworthy, why a futurist needs to understand the past, the pros and cons of uneditable smart contracts on a blockchain, productive compromise, Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., the Iroquois Confederacy, and much more.
What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
- Connect with Noah Feldman:
Website | Twitter | Bloomberg | Facebook | Instagram | Harvard
- The Broken Constitution: Lincoln, Slavery, and the Refounding of America by Noah Feldman | Amazon
- Deep Background with Noah Feldman Podcast | Pushkin Industries
- Harvard Polymath Noah Feldman — Deep Focus for Hyper-Productivity, Learning 10+ Languages, Predicting the Future with History, the Possibilities (and Limitations) of DAOs, Lessons from the Iraq Invasion, Designing the Supreme Court of Facebook, the Virtue of Scholarship, and the Wild Life of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. | The Tim Ferriss Show #540
- What Does Russia Want in Ukraine? A Full Guide. | The New York Times
- Military Victories Against the Odds | Wikipedia
- Is the Lottery Really Just a Poor Person’s Tax? | Quora
- Polish Cavalry Myth Debunked: CNBC vs. the Polish Embassy | Warfare History Network [Note: This is a myth and has been debunked.]
- New York City Fire Department Rescue Company 1 | Wikipedia
- Rationalist Explanations for War by James D. Fearon | International Organization
- DJI Denies Throttling Ukrainian Army Drone Tech Amid Rumors | PetaPixel
- How Starlink Scrambled to Keep Ukraine Online | Wired
- The Big Exodus of Ukrainian Refugees Isn’t an Accident – It’s Part of Putin’s Plan to Destabilize Europe | The Conversation
- Preventing a Wider European Conflict | Council on Foreign Relations
- What DAOs Can Do: $6.75M in Ethereum for Ukraine | Decrypt
- Airbnbs in Ukraine: People Are Booking Them but Don’t Plan to Check In | CNN Travel
- Sanctions Against Russia: A Timeline | S&P Global Market Intelligence
- Forget the Obsession with Sanctions against Oligarchs. I Have a Better Way to Hurt Putin | The Guardian
- US-Backed Task Force Seizes More Than $30B of Russian Oligarch Assets | VOA
- Ukraine War: Russia Defaults on Foreign Debt for First Time Since 1918 | Bloomberg
- The US Dollar May Be the Next Casualty of the Ukraine War | Jacobin
- Korematsu v. United States: 323 US 214 (1944) | Justia US Supreme Court Center
- What the Happiest Places Have in Common | The Atlantic
- Snubbed By NATO, Zelensky-Led Ukraine Likely to Become EU Member Soon. Should Putin’s Russia Worry? | Crux
- Why Ukraine’s Longshot Bid to Join the EU Is Likely to Enrage Putin | CNN
- Appraising the War in Ukraine and Likely Outcomes | Foreign Policy Research Institute
- On War by Gen. Carl von Clausewitz | Amazon
- The Art of War by Sun Tzu | Amazon
- Why America Doesn’t Win Wars Anymore | Vox
- Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin by Timothy Snyder | Amazon
- Coup d’État: A Practical Handbook by Edward N. Luttwak | Amazon
- Cool War: The United States, China, and the Future of Global Competition by Noah Feldman | Amazon
- Destined For War: Can America and China Escape Thucydides’s Trap? by Graham Allison | Amazon
- What “Machiavellian” Really Means | TED-Ed
- Free Speech Challenges to Florida and Texas Social Media Laws | Congressional Research Service
- Elon Musk Says Relaxing Content Rules on Twitter Will Boost Free Speech, but Research Shows Otherwise | Fast Company
- Spotify Pulls 70 Joe Rogan Episodes, Host Apologizes for Saying N-Word | Variety
- Four Plausible Reasons Bezos Bought Washington Post | Convince & Convert
- What Happened When Trump Was Banned on Facebook and Twitter | The New York Times
- In the Age of Social Media, Expand the Reach of the First Amendment | American Bar Association
- Citizens United Explained | Brennan Center for Justice
- Germany’s Balancing Act: Fighting Online Hate While Protecting Free Speech | Politico
- Was Oliver Wendell Holmes Right About Free Speech? | Publishers Weekly
- Do Bots Have First Amendment Rights? | Politico
- Jan. 6 Capitol Hill Riot Forced Social Networks to Look at Their Ugly Side | CNET
- Brain Drain: The Mere Presence of One’s Own Smartphone Reduces Available Cognitive Capacity | Journal of the Association for Consumer Research
- Decentralized Social Networks Sound Great. Too Bad They’ll Never Work | Wired
- AWS Is the Internet’s Biggest Single Point of Failure | Vice
- Web1, Web2, and Web3 with Their Differences | GeeksforGeeks
- What Is the Metaverse? | The New York Times
- Lord of the Flies by William Golding | Amazon
- Augmented Reality (AR) vs. Virtual Reality (VR) | Splunk
- [08:40] Russia vs. Ukraine: why?
- [17:31] The first Web3 war?
- [25:24] Will punishing Russian oligarchs make Putin blink?
- [29:06] Did Putin miscalculate, or is he just playing a longer game?
- [38:19] Could this conflict affect the US dollar’s status as a reserve currency?
- [42:11] Exploring base/best/worst possible outcomes of the conflict.
- [47:56] Recommended reading.
- [58:15] Free speech in the age of social media.
- [1:14:07] What’s at stake as free speech is legally reevaluated?
- [1:23:18] Enforcement, decentralization, and free market considerations.
- [1:31:09] Where Noah sees the free speech conversation in three years.
- [1:35:50] Will the future be colored predominantly in AR or VR?
- [1:39:45] Parting thoughts.
MORE GUEST QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW
“Money only governs all if the government allows it to.”
— Noah Feldman
“According to [James D.] Fearon, if the two sides have different opinions about what’s going to happen, then you go to war because you don’t have perfect information about the outcome.”
— Noah Feldman
“The Russians have much more limited objectives, but they’re still fighting, and the Ukrainians are still fighting back. So that just deepens the puzzle. What are they each fighting for now?”
— Noah Feldman
“Can Europe be a stable place or is Europe going back to the olden days where a government that had a serious army could just take over countries that it didn’t like?”
— Noah Feldman
“It’s entirely possible that in the long run, crypto would be to the advantage of an aggressor like Russia rather than being to the advantage of a state like Ukraine that’s defending itself.”
— Noah Feldman
“If the government regulates what we can do to each other in real life, and a private company regulates what we can do to each other in this AR-VR space simultaneously, it’s going to get really messy and really confusing.”
— Noah Feldman
- Vladimir Putin
- Ray Downey
- James Fearon
- James Bond
- Volodymyr Zelenskyy
- Robert H. Jackson
- Fred Korematsu
- Carl von Clausewitz
- Sun Tzu
- Timothy Snyder
- Edward N. Luttwak
- Graham Allison
- Donald Trump
- Niccolò Machiavelli
- Elon Musk
- Joe Rogan
- Jeff Bezos
- Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
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19 Replies to “Signal Over Noise with Noah Feldman — The War in Ukraine (Recap and Predictions), The Machiavelli of Maryland, Best Books to Understand Geopolitics, The Battles for Free Speech on Social Media, Metaverse Challenges, and More (#608)”
Thanks for this podcast, a successful experiment! You opened up Noah Feldman for me.
Love this new format! Incredible.
Definitely keep the old shows coming, but more of these as well!!
Hey Tim – Words cannot describe how grateful I am. Thanking you is the least I can do.
Separately, I am trying to promote a psychedelic event (got into it from listening to you on podcast :D) – one small shoutout can change the landscape at my end. Thank you 🙂
so where I can find info about the event you’re promoting? very curious
Love the format. Happen to see more.
(long term listener)
Thank you for asking indepth and insightful questions on these critically important topics. I wonder how ARTIFICAL INTELLIGENCE fits in the meta universe discussion.
I think this is a great conversation to have on the podcast. I would like to hear similar discussions on the topic of democracy. It’s clear that our institutions have been challenged in ways that impact every aspect of our lives and that we are at a critical juncture at which we must be deliberate about how we go forward. Would be great to have on Timothy Snyder, the author of the book Bloodlands, which Noah Feldman recommended in this episode.
I’m really excited for this episode, but I actually I have a separate guest to suggest for your podcast, Tim! (sorry, I know this might not be the right place, but I don’t use social media much anymore.)
His name is Fred Seibert. As a child of the 2000’s and 2010’s, I knew he was involved in many of my favorite cartoons. I found out researching him it’s probably more like half, if not more, and tied to way more of kids’ popular culture since the 1980s than I’ve realized.
To highlight his bio, he’s lived five lives (so far): Television Cartoon Producer; Internet Network Executive; Branding and Agency Man; Cable Pioneer; Jazz Cat.
He’s been one of the major players behind the design and creation of MTV, VH-1, Comedy Central, TV Land, and the rebirth of Nickelodeon and Hanna-Barbera Cartoons.
Across his time in animation, he’s produced over 250 character based, creator driven short cartoons with hundreds of new characters.
Of the several cartoon distribution networks he’s founded, one now distributes more than 3000 channels, making it the world’s largest animation, video game and entertainment network.
One of these earlier networks was one of the first multi-channel networks in 2006 on YouTube, until this was acquired by YouTube in 2011.
Oh yeah, and one of his former interns was David Karp, the founding developer of Tumblr. This led Fred to invest and direct Tumblr until they were acquired by Yahoo.
I hope this leads to an interesting guest, Tim! Or at least you’ll know more about cartoons by the end of the day.
Thank you for all your wonderful work as always too!
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Thanks for this episode, I really enjoyed it.
About your question, “what do you think of this new format’, that is not the most interesting question for me.
A more interesting question imho is: “Were the guest and the topic interesting ?”
Double “Absolutely” for me, and the format supports both topic and guest well.
Would Noah and you consider doing this a recurring topic ? ie. Noah’s view on the last x months of news around the world ? That would be an episode I would be looking forward to.
Or, to generalize a bit, to have topic centered episodes vs guest centered episodes at regular intervals ? (ie Balaji with state of the Crypto every y months)
On the format, a little variety is nice. The “billboard” question gets a bit tiring after the 200th episode.
Enjoyed the format very much – would be delighted if you choose to extend / continue with other guests
thank you, Tim, for this conversation! As your fan since very long time and as a Ukrainian, I’m very grateful to you for raising this subject. I’m glad I discovered Noah Feldman now!
More of these episodes, please.
Enough with this BULLSHIT. If you don’t get it that hate speech targets race, religion, creed and color, (RRCC) and intends harm – or you QUESTION it as somehow your right to say damaging things based on RRCC, you are a RACIST. Speaking out against the government is of course protected, unless you cross the line to hate speech to do so. SHAME on you Tim for giving it voice (“it’s just DISCUSSION.. we are QUESTIONING” blah blah). Feldman can take his Harvard degree, and he and his Facist colleagues can shove it you know where. Tim, I’m done with you – UNSUBSCRIBE
I’ve been a follower since 2008 and have enjoyed and benefited from many of your contributions! Thank you,
I was disappointed with this one, sadly. I understand geopolitics is prone to controversy, especially in today’s highly fragmented societies blinkered by incendiary tribalism with reductive and rigid thinking.
I felt this discussion missed the mark on many critical points on the invasion of Ukraine, for reasons you likely won’t find surprising. A full reply goes beyond scope, so I’ll share a few examples of key elements pertaining to this issue:
– US and EU -backed support of ultra fascist (Neo Nazi) forces to overthrow Yanukovich and his govt and replacing him with their anointed Zelenskyy.
– The extensive micromanaging by the US of internal govt and juridical administrative bodies in Ukraine – as per leaked admission by Sec. State Victoria Nuland and US Ambassador Greg Pyatt- (see: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957).
– Covert operating of CIA personnel in Ukraine managing intelligence.
– The chronic expansion of NATO military presence increasingly encircling the Russian border is a legitimate security concern.
– The omission of US & NATO’s violated promises on NATO expansion is misleading.
– Russia’s invasion is inexcusable, egregious and deserves total condemnation. By the same standard, the US and many Western nations, have revoked by their own immoral interventions, any moral high ground.
For more independent coverage, (which is often better able to yield sober analysis than mass media increasingly castrated by corporate sponsorship) the following are worth checking out:
– John Pilger (Australian investigative journalist)
– Glenn Greenwald (American journalist and lawyer)
– Jeremy Scahill (investigative journalist)
– Prof. John Mearsheimer (American political scientist and Int’l relations scholar)
– CIA Director William Burns
Thanks again for everything and wishing you continued success.
Tim, I liked the topic-focused episode. I would definitely listen to a podcast series such as “Slow News hosted by Tim Ferriss” where experts give context, summary and commentary on these type of major news stories.
I really love the idea to get the NEWS this way.
I was worried there would not be a critical comment as I scrolled through – was grateful to arrive upon Paul Saulino’s.And he only touched the very surface. Are you aware Russia military are visiting their brothers house? Ukraine is close family. The two countries have been intertwined on every level for centuries. Did you see the look on Vladimir Putins face when he left the meeting with Biden shortly before the special strategic mission commenced? He was very sad. Biden just talked down all the peaceful, diplomatic solutions Putin was attempting. Then,Putins very very measured manner was gone when he made the speech to Parliament just prior to the special mission commencing. He was angry – angry because his back was to the wall and he had no choice but to commence the operation. He did NOT want to do that. He gave the United States every single opportunity to de escalate its presence in Ukraine and on the border of Russia. Vladimir Putin on behalf of Russia has been attempting diplomatic solutions since 2014. As recently as December 2021 the State Department ( United States) had a copy of a treaty Russia had provided, proposing peaceful and diplomatic solutions. Evidence of this could be found by anyone on the State Department website. The deadline was sometime in January 2022 if I recall correctly.The USG ignored it. One of the primary tenets of the treaty was for NATO and US installations to be removed from Russia. Very natural and understandable. Russia is behaving as a rational actor. What does this mean? Defending its border and upholding its right to security as a sovereign state. Are you aware of Zelensky banning all political opposition and making it a prisonable offence? Are you aware only a year ago the Guardian newspaper was reporting on the crooked billions Zelensky had stored offshore? You wouldn’t know it now, he’s marketed as a cross between Francis of Assisi, Jeanne d’Arc and Churchill. Who, um,(cough) wears green army t-shirts to high level international diplomatic meetings. Oh and by the way the Ukraine entering the EU is utterly disingenious and suggesting its rational, proportionate or realistic is absolutely absurd. There are several other countries in the queue. Many criteria must be met. Applications are assessed on a first come first served basis. It takes many years. All member states must approve an application. Ukraine meets NONE of the criteria. It’s worth adding Naked Capitalism and The Saker to the list of journalists Paul kindly provided. About the only places to get a sober rational assessment of the facts. Ie, not the proaganda war machine via the mainstream media in the West .It’s really, really really clear the West don’t want peace in Ukraine. All the statements and actions by the political leaders absolutely declare the opposite.
Apologies. I was referring to Paul Saulino but I actually intended Adam L. I was going to comment on Pauls words independently but got the name mixed up. Thanks