
“Getting caught in a mental rut is the enemy of coming up with good solutions.”
— A.J. Jacobs
A.J. Jacobs (@ajjacobs) is a bestselling author, journalist, and human guinea pig. He has written four New York Times bestsellers, including The Year of Living Biblically (for which he followed all the rules of the Bible as literally as possible) and Thanks a Thousand (for which he went around the world and thanked every person who had even the smallest role in making his morning cup of coffee possible). He has given four TED talks with a combined 10M+ views. He contributes to NPR and The New York Times and wrote the article “My Outsourced Life,” which was featured in The 4-Hour Workweek. He was once the answer to one down in The New York Times crossword puzzle. You can find my 2016 interview with A.J. at tim.blog/aj.
His new book is The Puzzler: One Man’s Quest to Solve the Most Baffling Puzzles Ever, from Crosswords to Jigsaws to the Meaning of Life.
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Want to hear the last time A.J. was on the show? Have a listen to our conversation here, in which we discussed radical honesty, a worldwide family reunion, strategic chutzpah, ethical cannibalism, personal advice from George Clooney, biblical slavery, the lingering lessons of ephemeral self-experimentation, and much more.
SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
- Connect with A.J. Jacobs:
Personal Website | The Puzzler Website | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram
- The Puzzler: One Man’s Quest to Solve the Most Baffling Puzzles Ever, from Crosswords to Jigsaws to the Meaning of Life by A.J. Jacobs and Greg Pliska | Amazon
- The Year of Living Biblically: One Man’s Humble Quest to Follow the Bible as Literally as Possible by A.J. Jacobs | Amazon
- Thanks A Thousand: A Gratitude Journey by A.J. Jacobs | Amazon
- A.J. Jacobs | TED Talks
- My Outsourced Life | A.J. Jacobs
- A.J. Jacobs on Radical Honesty, Following the Whole Bible, and Reframing Global Problems as Puzzles | 80,000 Hours
- 27+ Puzzle Types {The Ultimate List} | Bailey’s Puzzles
- Ten Days in a Madhouse: The Woman Who Got Herself Committed | Mental Floss
- Around the World in 80 Days by Jules Verne | Amazon
- How to Solve the New York Times Crossword | The New York Times
- World Jigsaw Puzzle Championship
- Hugh Jackman on Best Decisions, Daily Routines, The 85% Rule, Favorite Exercises, Mind Training, and Much More | The Tim Ferriss Show #444
- ‘It’s an Attack on Everyone’: Russian Activists under Increasing Pressure for Opposing War on Ukraine | The Guardian
- Puzzles, Games and Crafts, & Science | Ravensburger
- Mystery Hunt / Puzzle Club | MIT
- What Pi Sounds Like | MIchael Blake
- Drop Dead Healthy: One Man’sDrop Dead Healthy: One Man’s Humble Quest for Bodily Perfection by A.J. Jacobs | Amazon
- The 4-Hour Body: An Uncommon Guide to Rapid Fat Loss, Incredible Sex, and Becoming Superhuman by Timothy Ferriss | Amazon
- New Clue May Be the Key to Cracking CIA Sculpture’s Final Puzzling Passage | Smithsonian Magazine
- 15 Puzzle | Netlify
- Scavenger Hunts & Virtual Games for Groups | Watson Adventures
- The Sweet Spot: The Pleasures of Suffering and the Search for Meaning by Paul Bloom | Amazon
- Jargon Genesis: “Think Outside the Box” | University of St. Thomas
- The Tangled History of mRNA Vaccines | Nature
- Gauss’ Day of Reckoning | American Scientist
- The 4-Hour Workweek: Escape 9-5, Live Anywhere, and Join the New Rich by Tim Ferriss | Amazon
- Gaussian Distribution | Wikipedia
- The Differences Between an American Crossword and a British Crossword | My Crossword Maker
- Geg | Urban Dictionary
- Does Brilliant Bill Gates Love Jigsaw Puzzles? Here Are Three Possible Reasons Why | The Good Men Project
- Meet the Tormentors | Stave
- The NATO Phonetic Alphabet: What It Is and How to Use It | Effectiviology
- Riddle Me This: Prison Escape | PEimpact
- How Elevators Work | HowStuffWorks
- Masked Man Riddle | Riddles
- Riddle of the Week #28: The Bicycle Killer | Popular Mechanics
- Bicycle Standard Face Playing Cards | Amazon
- Japanese Puzzle Box | Hakone Maruyama Inc.
- Giftology: The Art and Science of Using Gifts to Cut Through the Noise, Increase Referrals, and Strengthen Retention by by John Ruhlin | Amazon
- Visions of Japan: Kawase Hasui’s Masterpieces by Kawase Hasui | Amazon
- Filmmaker Darren Aronofsky — Exploring Creativity, Ignoring Critics, and Making Art | The Tim Ferriss Show #263
- Kagen Sound Demonstrates His Masterpiece at Plus Gallery | YouTube
- The Monty Hall Problem: The Math Problem That Stumped Thousands of Mansplainers | Vox
- The Sleeping Beauty Problem: A Data Scientist’s Perspective | Towards Data Science
- Jacobs Ladder: The Puzzle that Will Outlast the Universe | A.J. Jacobs, Facebook
- Sudoku | Wikipedia
- Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World by David Epstein | Amazon
- The Polymath: Unlocking the Power of Human Versatility by Waqas Ahmed | Amazon
- The Color Psychology of White | Verywell Mind
- What Diddy’s White Party Was Like | The AV Club
- Spelling Bee | The New York Times
- Wordle | The New York Times
- Ted Lasso | Apple TV+
- Zodiac Killer Official Website
- Elonka’s Kryptos Page
- The Cryptic Crossword that Recruited for Bletchley Park | Alaric Stephen
- All About Apophenia I Psych Central
- Why Some See the Face of Jesus in Their Toast | ABC News
- The Illuminati, QAnon, Lizard People, and Other Bizarre Conspiracy Theories | Spyscape
- Great Vermont Corn Maze
- Gilroy Garlic Festival
- How to Solve Chess Puzzles | Chessfox
- Tim Ferriss: Smash Fear, Learn Anything | TED Talk
- Why I Should Have Listened to Garry Kasparov about Putin | Financial Times
- Grotesque Chess Problems | ChessBase
- Be Curious, Not Furious: On Student Behavior | Mr. Anderson Reads & Writes
- There Are 4 Modes of Thinking: Preacher, Prosecutor, Politician, and Scientist. You Should Use One Much More | Inc.com
- The 5 Levels of Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs | Verywell Mind
- Tango World Record: Tim Ferriss and Alicia Monti | Live with Regis and Kelly
SHOW NOTES
- Why have A.J.’s kids lately deigned to show him a modicum of respect? [06:20]
- For most of his books, A.J. has a number of friends read the draft and offer suggestions for edits — what to cut and what to keep. Why was this usually sound strategy a bust for The Puzzler? [07:15]
- Why did A.J. abandon his next planned book midway and pivot to writing The Puzzler? [08:54]
- Is A.J. more of a George Plimpton or a Nellie Bly? [11:18]
- Why puzzles are worthwhile and not, as I once believed, frivolous time-wasters, and what happened when A.J. discovered he was a clue in the world-famous New York Times‘ crossword puzzle. [14:42]
- How does one compete in the World Jigsaw Puzzle Championship? For that matter, how does someone who doesn’t really even like jigsaw puzzles wind up representing their whole country in one? What did A.J. and his hastily assembled Team USA learn about jigsaw diplomacy and strategy when they unwittingly became participants in this annual event? [17:25]
- What would “the Ironman triathlon for nerds” look like? A.J. reckons it would be something like an MIT puzzlehunt. [23:25]
- “Don’t get furious. Get curious.” Every problem or disagreement is just a puzzle in search of a solution. [24:08]
- A.J.’s writing process is strong on structure and outlining, but he likes to allow room for surprises. One of these surprises while penning The Puzzler: a decades-unsolved CIA puzzle sculpture called Kryptos. [28:41]
- On puzzle trolls, fabulous prizes, and what you can win if you solve one of A.J.’s designated puzzles in The Puzzler. [32:38]
- What makes a good puzzler (and why does A.J. consider himself a better puzzle solver than puzzle creator)? As an aside: A.J. shares the origin of the phrase “Think outside the box.” [33:50]
- Transferable ways we can apply our puzzle-solving skills to other areas, with examples from a preteen Gauss, British crosswords, tormenting jigsaw puzzles, and reverse-thought riddles. [38:39]
- What puzzles does A.J. consider to give the most bang for their buck? It all depends on what you’re hoping to retain from the act of doing them, but Japanese puzzle boxes take things to a whole new level. [51:04]
- The shadow side of puzzles that drive people mad: the Monty Hall problem, the Sleeping Beauty problem, and a puzzle A.J. commissioned that can’t be solved within the lifespan of the universe. [54:41]
- If researching and writing Thanks a Thousand imparted A.J. with a lifelong appreciation for gratitude, what residual takeaways from writing The Puzzler does A.J. predict will remain with him for years to come? [1:00:26]
- In what puzzle-oriented subculture would A.J. feel most at home? [1:03:08]
- Obsessed with puzzles? Beware the perils of apophenia. [1:05:16]
- According to A.J., the hardest corn maze in the world is run by a sadist in Vermont. What has this sadist learned about human nature during the time he’s spent observing people trying to escape from this maze? [1:07:40]
- On puzzle creation epicenters, Garry Kasparov, and how chess puzzles differ from chess games. [1:10:10]
- How do puzzles pertain to the meaning of life? [1:15:06]
- Parting thoughts. [1:17:34]
MORE A.J. JACOBS QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW
“Little puzzles like crosswords and logic or secret codes, they’re just ways to help you come up with strategies to solve the big problems in life. So little puzzles help you with the big puzzles.”
— A.J. Jacobs
“I did not love jigsaws until this project. And now I have tremendous respect for jigsaws, which is all about flexible thinking.”
— A.J. Jacobs
“Gratitude and curiosity to me are two amazing forces.”
— A.J. Jacobs
“If I’m talking to someone from the opposite side of the political spectrum, instead of seeing it as a debate, a war of words, I try to see it as a puzzle that we can try to solve together. What do we really believe? What [are] our real differences and how can we overcome them? Is there any evidence I can present to him or her to make her change her mind? How do we solve this puzzle?”
— A.J. Jacobs
“You have to be a little sadistic to be a great puzzler, and I don’t have it in me. So I stick with the masochism of doing puzzles.”
— A.J. Jacobs
“Getting caught in a mental rut is the enemy of coming up with good solutions.”
— A.J. Jacobs
“Another big theme of puzzles, I think, is don’t trust your gut. I am very wary of my gut. I feel my gut is an idiot, especially when it comes to matters of probability.”
— A.J. Jacobs
“Part of the meaning of life is the search for the meaning of life.”
— A.J. Jacobs
PEOPLE MENTIONED
- Hugh Jackman
- Julie Schoenberg
- George Plimpton
- Sonny Liston
- Nellie Bly
- Lady Gaga
- LeBron James
- Vladimir Putin
- Justin Bieber
- John Horton Conway
- John von Neumann
- Alex Trebek
- Jim Sanborn
- Edward Scheidt
- Fidel Castro
- Will Shortz
- Noyes Palmer Chapman
- Sam Loyd
- Greg Pliska
- Paul Bloom
- Carl Friedrich Gauss
- Abraham Lincoln
- Groucho Marx
- Mahatma Gandhi
- Bill Gates
- Stephen Richardson
- John Ruhlin
- Hasui Kawase
- Katsushika Hokusai
- Maria Popova
- Darren Aronofsky
- Kagen Sound
- Marilyn vos Savant
- Monty Hall
- Oskar van Deventer
- Maki Kaji
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
- David Epstein
- Diddy
- Zodiac Killer
- Elonka Dunin
- Mike Boudreau
- Garry Kasparov
- King David
- Goliath
- Adam Grant
- Abraham Maslow
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Oh dear, Tim! I love your podcast and listen to it all the time, but today is the first day in awhile that I listened carefully to your podcast’s opening credit music. Please, Please, PLEASE consider changing it. It features voices of high performers, but the only female-sounding voice is hushed and bedroom-y. UGH! I love your podcast, but for the sake of all your listeners who are women or who interact with women, PLEASE UPDATE THIS!!!!
The gender of the voices of the intro music leaves that deep an impression on you? Are you vying for a Shallowness Award? I don’t desire to be “uncool”, but I find your comment infantile.
This off the current topic, but anyway:
I just read the chapter in Tool of Titans relating to suicide.
Why not name the arsehole advisor, as well as the other Princeton officials who accused you of lying? I don’t mean name them at that time, but after you acquired an enormous following? Destroy the likelihood that that person will ever be an advisor to anyone again, or will be put in a position of responsibility over others. Those officials have a duty of care and such egregious misbehaviour should be corrected. And it’s not even a matter of revenge: How do you know that they won’t go on to abuse someone else similarly, with a less fortunate final outcome?
Another stellar episode. Learned about the importance of puzzles to our species and will be open to trying different, unfamiliar puzzles. Pre-ordered this book yesterday based upon this podcast. Thank you, gentlemen, sponsors.