“What benefit do I get from the conditions I say I don’t want?”— Jerry Colonna
Jerry Colonna (@jerrycolonna) is the CEO and co-founder of Reboot.io, an executive coaching and leadership development firm dedicated to the notion that better humans make better leaders. For nearly 20 years, he has used the knowledge gained as an investor, an executive, and a board member for more than 100 organizations to help entrepreneurs and others lead with humanity, resilience, and equanimity.
Prior to his career as a coach, he was a partner with JPMorgan Partners (JPMP), the private equity arm of JPMorgan Chase. Previously, he led New York City-based Flatiron Partners, which he founded in 1996 with partner Fred Wilson. Flatiron became one of the nation’s most successful early-stage investment programs. Jerry’s first leadership position, at age 25, was editor-in-chief of InformationWeek magazine. He is the author of Reboot: Leadership and the Art of Growing Up.
Jerry lives in Boulder, Colorado. This is his second appearance on the podcast. His first can be found at tim.blog/jerrycolonna.
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Want to hear the last time Jerry was on the show? Listen to our first conversation, in which we discuss being complicit in creating the conditions in life we don’t really want, nagging self-doubt, finding time for self-discovery, confronting the difficulty most of us have with saying “no,” acknowledging compassion from a distance, journaling, guilt versus remorse, and much more.
SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
- Connect with Jerry Colonna:
- Jerry Colonna — The Coach with the Spider Tattoo | The Tim Ferriss Show #373
- Reboot: Leadership and the Art of Growing Up by Jerry Colonna | Amazon
- What About Bob? | Prime Video
- A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum | Prime Video
- The Difference Between Coaching and Therapy Is Greatly Overstated | Psychology Today
- Vagabonding: An Uncommon Guide to the Art of Long-Term World Travel by Rolf Potts | Amazon
- Wall Street | Prime Video
- Rashomon | Prime Video
- What is Inbox Zero? | WhatIs.com
- What My Morning Journal Looks Like | Tim Ferriss
- Shabbat 101 | My Jewish Learning
- Grand Canyon National Park | US National Park Service
- Meteor Showers Calendar 2022: Dates, Times, and How to See Them | Inverse
- What Is Zen Buddhism and How Do You Practice It? | Lion’s Roar
- Bird by Bird: Some Instructions on Writing and Life by Anne Lamott | Amazon
- Radical Acceptance: Embracing Your Life with the Heart of a Buddha by Tara Brach | Amazon
- Stay on Your Cushion: The Importance of ‘Hot’ and ‘Cool’ Boredom During Meditation | HuffPost Life
- Find Your Adventure Here! | Visit Greenland
- Futaleufú River Rafting & Kayaking | Whitewater Guidebook
- Namibia | The Commonwealth
- The Power Of A Digital Sabbath | Feld Thoughts
- Digital Sabbath in the Time of COVID | Feld Thoughts
- Austin, TX
- San Francisco Main Library Trying to Address Bathroom Cleanliness Issues | The San Francisco Examiner
- One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey | Amazon
- Some Practical Thoughts on Suicide | Tim Ferriss
- COVID-19 Is Making America’s Loneliness Epidemic Even Worse | Time
- Staying Safe Around Bears | US National Park Service
- Transcendental Meditation
- Six Months Off: How To Plan, Negotiate, & Take The Break You Need Without Burning Bridges Or Going Broke by Hope Dlugozima, James Scott, and David Sharp | Amazon
- To Bless the Space Between Us: A Book of Blessings by John O’Donohue | Amazon
- Tools of Titans: The Tactics, Routines, and Habits of Billionaires, Icons, and World-Class Performers by Tim Ferriss | Amazon
- Squid Game | Netflix
- How to Cage the Monkey Mind | The Tim Ferriss Show #175
- Lost by David Wagoner | Poetry Magazine
- When there’s not an unchecked global pandemic going on, Jerry has been taking an annual two-month sabbatical for the past 10 years. He tells us about the first one that kicked off this tradition, how it came about, and the inner thoughts that initially tried to talk him out of it. [07:35]
- A counter to the “Can I afford it?” question someone of any means might ask themself when considering the form their own sabbatical could take. [14:25]
- What makes a sabbatical work in preparation and practice? [19:34]
- What kind of rookie sabbatical mistakes did Jerry make early on, and what did they teach him? [23:47]
- How does Jerry handle email on a sabbatical? [25:56]
- What happens if there’s a crisis that requires Jerry’s attention when he’s on sabbatical — and how would someone communicate this to him [27:38]
- Thinking back on past sabbaticals, what factors contribute to emerging fully charged versus least recharged? [29:33]
- Shooting stars, terrible first drafts, and sabbatical-related epiphanies about productivity. [33:37]
- How might we reframe and reduce the complexities that keep us from carving out time for sabbaticals so we don’t suffer consequences for neglecting them? [38:44]
- Explorations of complex structures, DNA versus subroutines, and hot and cold boredom. [45:46]
- Advice Jerry would have for someone considering a sabbatical who is unsure how to begin untangling themselves from the complexities that keep them busy. [53:58]
- Thoughts on feelings of loneliness or alienation that a sabbatical might conjure up, and how changing the surroundings and/or company you keep can make all the difference. [57:39]
- Resources Jerry might suggest to listeners who are considering the possibility of a sabbatical. [1:11:51]
- Lost by David Wagner. [1:16:44]
- Parting thoughts. [1:19:57]
MORE JERRY COLONNA QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW
“What benefit do I get from the conditions I say I don’t want?”
— Jerry Colonna
“I was at my most productive when I stopped trying to be productive.”
— Jerry Colonna
“Sabbatical is a time of thinking differently, of considering things differently.”
— Jerry Colonna
“For many of our friends who are in the startup land, the thought of taking a weekend off is as terrifying as my thought of taking two months off. And that’s a problem. That’s a problem that not only affects them physically, it’s a problem that affects them mentally. It’s a problem that actually, I would argue, undermines their leadership capabilities and creates toxic environments.”
— Jerry Colonna
“By law, you have to build into the structure of the business sick time, vacation time, parental leave, all sorts of policies. And then periodically something awful happens, and we say, ‘Okay. Let’s build in some mental health time.’ But it’s always after some sort of horrible event.”
— Jerry Colonna
“A lesson I learned was to not turn the sabbatical into another source of self-criticism.”
— Jerry Colonna
“The number one rule in sabbatical is Sabbath. Rest. Rest. The body needs rest; the mind and heart need rest. That’s the simplest way I can put it for you.”
— Jerry Colonna
- Fred Wilson
- Bill Murray
- Rolf Potts
- Gordon Gekko
- Charlie Sheen
- Bill Gates
- Allison Schultz
- Dan Putt
- Khalid Halim
- Anne Lamott
- Tara Brach
- Brad Feld
- John O’Donohue
- David Wagoner
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