David Whyte (davidwhyte.com) is the author of twelve books of poetry and five books of prose. He holds a degree in marine zoology and has traveled extensively, including living and working as a naturalist guide in the Galapagos Islands and leading expeditions in the Andes, Amazon, and Himalayas. He has also hosted a live online series, Three Sundays, every other month since 2020.
I had the pleasure of sitting down with David for an interview a few months ago, and he proved as wonderful in person as he is on the page. During our conversation, he read from his most recent work, Consolations II. Now, I have a dog-eared hardcover copy by my bedside. It’s indispensable. No matter the challenge, dream, mystery, or feeling of stuckness, he has a poem or essay within that will help you.
I’ve recently been rereading one of his essays in particular, and David kindly agreed to allow me to share it with you here. I’ve bolded some of my favorite parts. If a sentence is bolded and underlined, I found it particularly impactful.
Enter David…
Anxiety
is the mask that truth wears when we refuse to stop and uncover its face: the disembodied state I feel when I pretend to put things right by worrying about them instead of conversing with them. Anxiety is my ever-present excuse for not truly resting into the body or the breath or a world where I might find out the truth. Anxiety is the temporary helper going by the name of worry, who, when turned into our constant live-in companion, becomes our formidable jailor.
In the midst of anxiety we always haunt the body like an unhappy ghost from the past instead of living in it as a live anticipation of our future: anxiety creates the ghost-like sense of living timidly in our mortal frames so that we begin living in the world in the same way: as a troubled guest; a guest who does not believe they deserve the rest and hospitality that the body, the breath or the world can offer. Anxiety is the mind refusing to be consoled and nourished either by the body itself, or the beauty of the world that this body inhabits: anxiety is an extended state of denial; the refusal to put right something that needs to be put right, because putting it right often means feeling real anguish, a real sense of the unknown and the need to change at a fundamental level.
Anxiety always tells us we are somehow just about to be injured by reality, by another or by the body itself: that nothing is to be trusted fully: our continued nervousness wasting the body’s powers by keeping up a heightened but unsustainable level of alertness. Nervousness loves further nervousness to confirm its fears; on the Internet I will find everything I need to feed my anxiety because anxiety is what makes me click as much as curiosity. Anxiety is difficult to shed because anxiety always refuses rest and rest is where the answer to anxiety lies. Rest feels as if we are letting down our guard and refusing to defend what we instinctively feel must be constantly defended to the last. Rest feels like a traitorous activity ignoring the fears that have come to make up our identity, anxiety is a dead end exactly because it refuses to look for real consolation.
Temporary worry is useful to us and allows us to identify and innumerate what has not yet been fully answered or done and therefore outlines what is important to us and what we care about: constant worry always goes over and over the same territory and becomes, in the refusal to move on, the anxiety that cripples: anxiety is the illusory state of non-attention where we imagine that the very worrying itself is a way of paying deeper attention, but anxiousness actually becomes our unconscious way of refusing to go any deeper with the very things we are spending our days, worrying about.
Constant anxiety is an unconscious defence against what is calling us to a deeper understanding. Ever-present anxiety actually covers over and prevents me from feeling fully what is praying on my mind. Constant anxiety is our constant way of not paying attention. Anxiety is the trembling surface identity that finds the full measure of our anguish too painful to bear, constant fretting is our way of turning away from and attempting to make a life free from the necessities of heartbreak. Anxiety is our greatest defence against the vulnerabilities of intimacy and a real understanding of others. Allowing our hearts to actually break might be the first step in freeing ourselves from anxiety.
Anxiety is a way of being temporarily absent that almost always turns into a permanent exile. The exile that anxiety creates is most grievously felt in the way we both live in our bodies and don’t live in our bodies at the same time. In order not to feel the full measure of my heartbreak, I refuse to let my body breathe in its own, easy natural way, I refuse to let myself feel I am in the right place at the right time; I refuse almost every invitational aspect of the world and see it only through the inverted telescope of my worries, where everything is made smaller, harder to see and harder to understand. My defence against a painful reality is to live in an unreal body in an unreal, besieged kind of time, and often in an unreal place; a place I don’t care about; I disallow myself the ability to stop and rest and the spacious silence needed for a full, easy, coming to ground in a new understanding.
In an anxious state I actually do not wish to understand, I only wish to worry: and in my worries, everything feels as if it is squeezed through the narrow aperture of my anxious body, causing it to tremble, to constrict and to hide inside that rheumatic constriction. I hurry from one thing to another, never actually landing, never feeling there is enough time, never making time to feel fully what is occurring both inside and outside my body. Anxiety, when I am lost, is often the only merciful way I can find to turn away from the pain the world caused me, is causing me and will cause me.
Anxiety is both my protection and the sure indication of my deepest vulnerabilities, all at the same time. What seems completely wrong with my life, with the world and with the time in which I live, is often my greatest, manufactured, defence against being fully part of this body, this world and this time. What I worry about and fret about for my children’s future is often what keeps me from helping them into that future. What I worry about and what I am anxious about keeps me in an insulated, busy state of mind that stops me feeling the true depth and vulnerability of how much I care, how much I want to make a difference and how much I feel powerless to do it. Anxiety is my temporary ally and my daily saviour from the abiding pain of real heartbreak. I am not anxious because I worry so much as I am anxious because I do not want to feel the full vulnerability of being visible and touchable in a difficult world.
Our anxiety is constantly calibrated by the sense of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, inhabiting one moment while thinking about another, thinking one thing while doing another, trying to live in another abstracted, ideal body while forgetting to eat or breathe in this one. Loss of weight and loss of the breath are two abiding symptoms of anxiety. Gaining weight and breathing in a laboured way are also magnified by the abstractions of anxiety. Anxiety is my way of not fully feeling the vulnerability of my body, and my world.
Constant fretting is my refuge but also, often the source of my loneliness, doubling as it does as a defence by keeping people at a distance. Anxiety begins in helpless worry, and then becomes a means of protection against our own ability to help others, a state which provides me with distance from my real, foundational sorrow, by keeping an equal distance from the grief of others. I worry but other people’s worries do not count.
Anxiety is a way of feeling constantly besieged and therefore allows me to be helpless to do anything about what lies beyond my walls. When I see everything as impinging on my life, I find it hard to have a sense of humour about the fundamentally amusing absurdities of every human life; when I see everything as an ecological threat, I find it difficult to live with the blessings of birdsong or the beauties of a passing cloud scape. When I worry constantly about the imperfections of my relationship, I keep my love at an equally constant distance. Anxiety is my ongoing excuse for not being intimate, anxiety is how I keep what I am worrying about from coming too close, anxiety enables me to stay well clear of my heartache.
Over time, constant anxiety is a form of amnesia, a forgetting and an absence. Anxiety becomes my beloved abstraction where I can keep myself in suspension, when I am afraid of getting to the bottom of things and allowing myself a true understanding. Emotional immobility is the state in which we find ourselves when we have lost sight of the silent, pivotal centre from which to speak, to take action or to harvest the wisdom of the spacious, the timely and the timeless.
Our vulnerability to constant worry is produced by a dynamic of the mind whose chief evolutionary task is actually to make us more anxious: to worry, to fret, and out of that worry and fret, to get things done, and out of getting things done, to survive; constant anxiety always in the end raises even the tiniest little threat to the level of existential survival. Anxiety makes every little thing a matter of life and death.
The cure for anxiety is almost always found in some kind of radical simplification, a simplification that slowly opens up a very physical, rested experience of timelessness. Often the heart of our simplification is the freeing realisation that we can do nothing about the worry except to let it go. From this place we learn not to leave our worries behind but to consciously worry only for brief necessary periods when worry is needed as a way of paying deeper attention. To briefly, consciously, worry in a way that brings things to a proper harvest of presence is always far more helpful than days of vague anxiety.
One of the greatest gifts we can give to our friends, our partners, our children or our colleagues might be to forsake anxiety: to realise how much we use our worrying as a barrier to our becoming and a protection against real intimacy, real friendship and real engagement with our work. One of our greatest gifts as a provider might be to stop all the worrying about those we are providing for; to provide something else, something that is more difficult to give but something they might actually want—a deeper, more rested, and invitational sense of presence and the gift of timelessness in that presence.
Luckily, all of our great contemplative traditions tell us that the way out of anxiety is always very close and abides just beneath the very surface of our worries, waiting for us to drop down into the body again to a better place. Every meditational tradition of mindfulness in the world tells us that our doorway to freedom is as simple and as close as learning to take the next breath; to take that breath as fully as possible, and then to learn how to give it easily back into the world. In breath and out breath, when taken and when given and when completed without a controlling, worrying thought is an instant doorway to release from anxiety. A mindful easing away from the restless, bullying, fretful mind, into the restful, invitational calmness of easy breathing is always the foundation from which we will re-inhabit the mind in a more spacious, generous, less worrisome way.
Anxiety and all the ways we feel the tremulous symptoms of anxiety tell us just how far away we are from inhabiting a real sense of the timeless. Anxiety is not an answer to a problem we are worrying about but the measure of our distance from the place where the answer lies. Our ability to escape from anxiety is found in our ability to do the simplest thing and to do it well: to breathe and to live easily in our breathing. This truth is too simple for the anxious mind to believe, therefore it is best to breathe in silence first and tell ourselves that we’ll get to curing our anxiety later. Anxiety cannot cure itself, the cure arrives while we are giving ourselves a real sense of rest. Anxiety is often created by trying to remember everything and keep it straight in our harried minds. No wonder then, that the cure for anxiety is found in learning to forget the very sense of self that first felt the fateful need to worry.
From Consolations II by David Whyte. ©2024 David Whyte & Many Rivers Press. All rights reserved. Shared with permission. www.davidwhyte.com.
P.S. David also happens to be good friends with past podcast guest Henry Shukman, one of only a few dozen masters in the world authorized to teach Sanbo Zen. If you’d like an extra dose of calm, I recommend checking out Henry’s app, The Way. It has changed my life. I’ve been using it daily, often twice a day, and it’s lowered my anxiety more than I thought possible. For 30 free sessions, just visit thewayapp.com/Tim. No credit card required.



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Tim and David, thank you. I believe the universe brings us what we need when we need it, and I desperately needed to read this essay today, and to pay attention, Tim, to the highlights you found compelling. As I read, I felt myself stop, reflect…and start to breathe again. I’m profoundly grateful for the lesson.
Thank you, Tim, for sharing this beautiful contemplation and uncovering of a topic that impacts us all. David’s words resolve and inspire with an uncanny precision – the final paragraph, in particular, is a golden well of wisdom. Also, thank you for highlighting Henry Shukman – a true Zen master and a most compassionate soul. I would humbly encourage you to check out this conversation between Henry and Rupert Spira. Rupert (if you do not know of him already) is a teacher of Non Duality (or the “Direct Path” as he phrases it). Suffice to say, the conversation is akin to listening to Ravi Shankar and John Coltrane trade musical licks. Rupert’s invitation to explore, understand, and ultimately rest as the Self is completely consistent with David Whyte’s prescription for overcoming anxiety. Please, please put Rupert Spira on your radar for potential podcast guests. Many blessings!
Is he describing daily life as a CPTSD surviving codependent with ADHD? Don’t think you can unlearn that default childhood state of fearing for one’s existence and worth in a toxic family by analysing its million facets as an adult. The “stupid best friend” doesn’t understand logic, reason or language. It enabled survival and is still on duty. What people do is that they thank it when it appears but tell it that now, there is nothing to fear anymore, and send it to go record the situation. That’s the method that works for most. The analysis of fear is beautiful and poetic but not sure that it really captures the true nature of it as an unconscious survival mechanism. You can’t just escape from that. And it helps to not just call the real reason for it a cryptic “place”. The anxiety is a smart childhood solution to a real problem of a toxic family system back then. I wish there was less flowery language around the anxiety and more clarity around its actual origin and reason of existence.
Wow, this came to me when I needed it most, thank you.
So many quotes to highlight…this one resonated particularly:
Anxiety makes every little thing a matter of life and death.
Grateful to have this on my ‘frequent reading list’!
David Whyte has been one of my discoveries of the last 10 years. Quite beautiful, evocative poetry but here is the one problem with reading it … there is nothing like listening to David saying it.
Tim, thank you for sharing this. I enjoyed your podcast with David Whyte and now also have a used copy of Consolations on hand. I needed to read this today–a soft push to remember that my busy anxiety was clouding a deeper, stiller fear–which I find is always still just a cover for a sadness that wants to be grieved.
Tim, long-time fan since v1 of 4HWW. Thanks for all you do.
Forgive me for being off topic, but I recently read a book/author that I think would be a wonderful potential guest for a future podcast episode: Katherine Morgan Schafler, psychotherapist and author of the fantastic book “The Perfectionist’s Guide to Losing Control.”
A truly solid read on perfectionism as a totally functioning character trait, not a flaw. Not on the book circuit (as far as I can tell). At the very least, give it a read (if you haven’t already). I feel like you would dig it.
thank you so much this helped me a lot. Dealing with anxiety for last few months, I know how horrible it is. Whatever you have wrote is absolute right. You can’t just escape from that. This one resonated with me so much.
This was such a calming and relatable read. It’s reassuring to know that others experience similar feelings and that there are simple, practical ways to cope. I really appreciated the focus on self-compassion—something we often forget. Thanks for sharing this!
Reading this felt like being gently seen and spoken to at the exact depth where anxiety actually lives not just as a mental fog but as a full-body exile, as you so eloquently put it. The line “Anxiety is not an answer to a problem we are worrying about but the measure of our distance from the place where the answer lies” truly stayed with me. It reframed so much of how I relate to worry in my own life.
Thank you for sharing this essay ! it’s not just comforting but clarifying. I’ll be returning to this piece often, especially when I forget how close the breath and body really are to healing.
This conversation was such a balm for the soul. David’s perspective on anxiety as a ‘threshold emotion’, one that can lead us toward deeper self-awareness, felt truly transformative. The idea of ‘befriending’ rather than fighting our unease resonates deeply.
David’s words always have a way of soothing. Like a damp cotton cloth on a fever.
Your channel is so rich and deep, thank you David. And thank you, Tim for sharing.
Enjoying actually reading, on an internet that’s now heavily invested in video content it’s rare to find quality reading content. And the Poet masterfully conveys the highlights of a serious issue people have in living their best life.
I’m certain this will help many.
Hi Tim,
Thanks again for signing my copies of COYOTE and Four Hour Workweek. It was great to meet you and to make a new friend waiting in line who was excited to talk about lifestyle design.
Just wanted to reach out after rereading the first sections of Four Hour Workweek — in particular, the chapter where you had to cattle-prod those college students to even try to contact famous people. So I had to drop you a note in case you remember the guy in the green baseball cap!
(Sorry this comment is off-topic.. I was going to send you an email, but saw you redirecting people to comment here instead 😎)
My goal with lifestyle design is to build a business that gives me the time and freedom to make music and continue to give that career my best shot. And I’ve grappled a lot with conflicting ideas between lifestyle design and music career advice. Enough that I’ve thought about writing a “Lifestyle Design for Artists” book.
I don’t feel successful enough to write this book yet, nor am I sure that I even want to commit to writing it. But making the outline helped me make sense of the challenges I’m going through right now.
And it made me curious about what Four Hour Workweek meant for you as you were writing it. When did you first think of writing a book? Did the ideas start as blog posts or journal entries?
Hey Tim,
This was like a meditation session next to a waterfall to read. The complexity of how anxiety can keep us away from being at home in our bodies and solve our true problems is one not easily unmasked. Anxiety can feel like a panic alarm or an excitement about what may come, but not often recognized for what it can be, distracting.
I actually have a question for you and this seemed the most effective way to ask. In the 4 hour workweek, you pose the challenge to reach out to three people and ask them a question. I have listened to podcasts and read bestsellars all week and what I have found is that asking a question that does not already have an answer is hard . Most people spell out how they became successful in their books and interviews. Some people even sell classes with their answers (“want to know how I did it? Sign up now!”). As one of the best podcast hosts at asking questions, how do you ask a question that is both unique, but also relevant and useful?
good writting
Hi Tim,
Apologies this is not a comment on the post. As I’m not on X / Twitter it seems the only way to contact you is to leave a comment on a post.
I actually want to suggest a guest for you to interview, Matthew Syed, who does, amongst many other things, a wonderful podcast called Sideways. If you don’t already know it, I think it might appeal to you and I would LOVE to see you interview him.
Sorry if this seems sycophantic, but you are the best interviewer I have ever heard, please don’t ever stop while I am alive – already 70 so not too far to go 🙂
Hola Tim! Cómo andás?
Mi nombre es Iñaki y soy argentino. Tenés algún dato de alguien o de algún lugar confiable para tener una primera experiencia con drogas psicodélicas acá en Argentina? Porque no sé ni por dónde empezar a investigar. Desde ya muchas gracias! Abrazo!
Hi, Tim. Your discussions with Jack Kornfield have been nothing short of transformational for me. Based on your interviews with Zen and Buddhist practitioners, and your relationship with Boyd Varty, I think you would really enjoy the book “Taking Our Places: The Buddhist Guide to Truly Growing Up”. In these times of toxic immature “leaders” and a young generation in crises, what Norman Fischer has to offer is a kind, straightforward and sober look at what it means to be mature. Driven by love and a vitality and awakeness to the world, it is a beautiful book and I think he would be a wonderful contribution to your oeuvre.
Very good. This is very amazing about Anxiety. The Knowledge here, will help me to fight with my Anxiety. Thank you
Hi Tim,
My name is Charlie Morley. I am one of the people who ran the LUCID DREAMING FOR PTSD study that you mention in your “5 bullet Friday” email sent on August 30th.
Please let me know if you would like any more info on the study or to discuss it further?
Thank you.
This was a fascinating read. I consider myself fortunate in that I haven’t experienced challenges such as this personally. However, I know plenty of people who have, and I’ll be sending them in this direction.
Tim, I’ve decided I can’t keep hearing you talk about your back pain without reaching out to offer help.
I run Achieve Health, a physiotherapy, health and wellness group in Birmingham, UK. Over the past 20 years, my team and I have helped thousands transition from persistent pain to significant relief and long-term improvement. Our approach integrates elite-level sports treatment and rehabilitation principles with pragmatic, research-backed interventions. You can check out our website/Google reviews, I’ve put the link where it should be!
I truly believe a brief call could uncover potential options and strategies you haven’t yet explored. I’ve successfully assisted countless individuals with complex and chronic pain who felt they had “tried everything.” Would you be open to a 15-minute call to discuss this further?
No worries if you’re swamped or can’t reply. Even a two-line note would make my day. Your books, The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, and Tools of Titans, are ones I’ve revisited multiple times, and your podcast is a staple on my listening list.
Thank you for the valuable content you share,
Best regards,
Rick
Great read, great reminders. I was thinking he reminded me of Henry Shukman and then saw the final note.
“I appreciate the honesty and depth in his approach to healing
Thank you Tim and David for reminding me about things that really matter.
It was such an inspirational and beautiful conversation, really enjoyed it.
Beautiful excerpt. What I find fascinating is how often we try to understand anxiety instead of dissolving it.
The mind can interpret and reframe, but the emotion itself lives in the body. Until that emotional imprint is released, the cycle continues — no matter how much awareness or insight we have.
In my work with high-performing entrepreneurs, I’ve seen what happens when you address anxiety at the emotional wiring level rather than the mindset level. Once the nervous system feels safe again, the mind naturally quiets — and peace doesn’t have to be practiced, it just happens.
Six-bullet Saturday… this is the last posted ‘blog’ post, and the anxiety title unfortunately seems fitting following your friend’s suicide. But your repeated offering of those supporting pages can only help. And hopefully they get spread and do some good… I am repeating my sharing over my ‘small’ circle on social media too.
Thank you for all you create and do… now I seem to need to go back and digest this post as I seem to have missed it.