“If I’m doing something that feels too well understood for too long, then I feel like I’m just being complacent.”— Mark Zuckerberg
Mark Zuckerberg (FB/IG) is the founder, chairman, and CEO of Meta, which he originally founded as Facebook in 2004. Mark is responsible for setting the overall direction and product strategy for the company. In October 2021, Facebook rebranded to Meta to reflect all of its products and services across its family of apps and a focus on developing social experiences for the metaverse—moving beyond 2D screens toward immersive experiences like augmented and virtual reality to help build the next evolution in social technology.
He is also the co-founder and co-CEO of the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative with his wife Priscilla, which is leveraging technology to help solve some of the world’s toughest challenges—including supporting the science and technology that will make it possible to cure, prevent, or manage all diseases by the end of the twenty-first century.
Mark studied computer science at Harvard University before moving to Palo Alto, California, in 2004.
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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
- Connect with Mark Zuckerberg:
- Meta’s Ongoing Efforts Regarding Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine | Meta
- “I am donating 100% of my past book royalties from Russia and Ukraine to Ukrainian causes. This includes everything from The 4-Hour Workweek (2007) to Tribe of Mentors (2017)—five books in total…”
- Mark Fencing with Olympic Gold Medalist Lee Kiefer and World Champion Gerek Meinhardt | Facebook
- What Latin Sounded Like — And How We Know | NativLang
- The Face of Facebook | The New Yorker
- Ender’s Game by Orson Scott Card | Amazon
- Virtual Reality vs. Augmented Reality vs. Mixed Reality | Intel
- Exhalation: Stories by Ted Chiang | Amazon
- Ready Player One: A Novel by Ernest Cline | Amazon
- Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson | Amazon
- Rainbows End: A Novel with One Foot in the Future by Vernor Vinge | Amazon
- Mark’s Connect 2021 Keynote Outlining the Metaverse Vision and Decision to Rebrand to Meta | Meta
- Once Mocked, Facebook’s $1 Billion Acquisition of Instagram Was a Stroke of Genius | Yahoo! Finance
- Ready Player One | Prime Video
- Breakthrough Technology for the Brain | Neuralink
- History of VR: Timeline of Events and Tech Development | Virtual Speech
- Eye Contact in Virtual Reality – A Psychophysiological Study | Computers in Human Behavior
- The AR, VR Future Coming in 2022: What We Learned from CES | CNET
- Virtual Reality for People with Disabilities | WalkinVR
- Types of Eye Movements and Their Functions | Neuroscience
- How to Reduce Motion Sickness in Virtual Reality | Wired
- A Digital Nation | Axie Infinity
- What Are Play-to-Earn Games? How Players Are Making a Living With NFTs | Decrypt
- Meta’s Social VR Platform Horizon Hits 300,000 Users | The Verge
- Mark’s Post on Meta’s New Company Values | Facebook
- Amazon Adds New Corporate Values as Jeff Bezos Prepares to Depart | CNET
- Horizon Workrooms for VR Remote Collaboration | Meta
- Web1, Web2, and Web3 with Their Differences | GeeksforGeeks
- Mark Zuckerberg Stands for Voice and Free Expression | Meta
- How to Create Your Metaverse Avatar on Facebook | iTech Post
- Facebook’s Commitment to the Oversight Board | Facebook
- The Facebook Oversight Board Proved It’s Not Mark Zuckerberg’s Puppet — Now It’s His Move | CNBC
- Daniel Ek, CEO of Spotify — Habits, Systems and Mental Models for Top Performance | The Tim Ferriss Show #484
- IQ vs. EQ: Which One Is More Important? | Verywell Mind
- Way of the Warrior Kid: From Wimpy to Warrior the Navy SEAL Way: A Novel by Jocko Willink and Jon Bozak | Amazon
- Jocko Willink on Discipline, Leadership, and Overcoming Doubt | The Tim Ferriss Show #187
- Shabbat 101 | My Jewish Learning
- The Torah | Amazon
- The Bible | Amazon
- Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals by Oliver Burkeman | Amazon
- Zuckerberg Drops Personal Challenges in Favor of Big-Picture Plans for the Decade | The Guardian
- Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can’t Stop Talking by Susan Cain | Amazon
- Watch Mark Zuckerberg Speak Mandarin | The New York Times
- Facebook’s Royal Wedding | The New York Times
- eFoil Electric Surfboard | Lift Foils
- Foilin’ USA | Instagram
- How did teenage Mark get involved in the world of competitive fencing? [07:01]
- What does Mark find particularly compelling about classical studies and history? [10:00]
- Influential and recommended science fiction related to virtual realities. [13:32]
- How do Mark and his team get an organization of a hundred thousand people on board with long-term project plans that can extend into the next decade and a half? [17:26]
- What does Mark do to get comfortable with discomfort and manage his energy for whatever the day throws his way? [23:05]
- How long does Mark think it will take for us to realize VR technology as immersive as presented in Ready Player One? What kind of progress can we expect to see in the not-too-distant future? [27:02]
- The challenges of making VR a satisfying, nausea-free experience for everyone. [33:35]
- Projections for the societal effects of people earning sustainable livelihoods in the metaverse. [39:00]
- The new values being built into Meta’s cultural operating system — and the old values being adapted — to prepare for a more distributed, more honest, and faster future. [44:16]
- Challenges presented by moving from a Web2 to a Web3 world. [57:35]
- Mark’s assessment of Meta’s oversight board. [1:03:07]
- To what does Mark credit the longevity of his unique partnership with Sheryl Sandberg, and in what ways has it shifted his life and business over the past 15+ years? What does he consider to be Sheryl’s superpowers? [1:07:49]
- How did Mark’s family dynamics growing up shape who he is today and how he parents his own children? [1:12:52]
- What role, if any, does religion play in Mark’s life? [1:20:40]
- Did Mark go through an emo phase early in life? [1:24:53]
- Of the annual personal challenges Mark undertook for 10 years, which were the easiest — and the most difficult? [1:26:12]
- Does Mark foresee navigating the metaverse on multiple mobile devices running OSes not necessarily under Meta’s control, or will there be a more efficient, unifying device in the works? [1:30:49]
- Parting thoughts. [1:35:15]
MORE MARK ZUCKERBERG QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW
“If I’m doing something that feels too well understood for too long, then I feel like I’m just being complacent.”
— Mark Zuckerberg
“Let’s constantly be doing something that can be doubted. Because if we’re not, then what are we doing?”
— Mark Zuckerberg
“If it’s obvious to everyone that we’re going to be able to do each of the things that we’re working on, then I don’t feel like we’re making the most of what we need to do.”
— Mark Zuckerberg
“How you get an organization of a hundred thousand people through something is about managing your own psychology and about managing your team’s psychology.”
— Mark Zuckerberg
“One of the things that I’ve always found is you can … get an organization and a team through almost any challenge as long as you can maintain good cohesion. When our stock price goes down, that doesn’t make me not sleep at night. When there’s a new competitor, that doesn’t make me not sleep at night. If there’s an issue on my team and there isn’t good cohesion, then I’m not sleeping well until I resolve that.”
— Mark Zuckerberg
- Priscilla Chan
- Bruce Lee
- Ted Chiang
- Jon Stewart
- Stephen Colbert
- Eye of Sauron
- Andrew Grove
- Andrew Bosworth
- Sheryl Sandberg
- Douglas Hofstadter
- Jeff Bezos
- Dan Rosensweig
- Noah Feldman
- Daniel Ek
- Warren Buffett
- Charlie Munger
- Mark’s Parents and Siblings
- Jocko Willink
- Tobi Lütke
- Oliver Burkeman
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