“Don’t let someone knock you off your course after you’ve put in all the work.” – Soman Chainani
This is a special episode of the podcast, which features three guests: author Soman Chainani (@SomanChainani), author Susan Cain (@susancain), and East Rock Capital co-founder and investor Graham Duncan.
All three are featured in my latest book, Tribe of Mentors, and all three share something in common: they’re experts at mitigating risk. All of them have been great at capping downsides and making various career decisions that have paid off in large ways.
I hope you enjoy this episode with these three brilliant guests!
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QUESTION(S) OF THE DAY: What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.
Scroll below for links and show notes…
Selected Links from the Episode
- Connect with Soman Chainani:
Website|Twitter|Instagram|Facebook|YouTube
- Connect with Susan Cain:
Quiet Revolution | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook
- Connect with Graham Duncan:
- The School for Good and Evil Series Complete Box Set: Books 1, 2, and 3 by Soman Chainani
- The War of Art: Break Through the Blocks and Win Your Inner Creative Battles by Steven Pressfield
- Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu
- A Little Life by Hanya Yanagihara
- Peter Pan by J. M. Barrie
- Mother Dirt AO+ Mist Live Probiotic Skin Spray
- Headspace
- ALF
- The Best of Archie Comics: 75 Years, 75 Stories by Archie Superstars
- Stories of Your Life and Others by Ted Chiang (includes Liking What You See: A Documentary)
- Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can’t Stop Talking by Susan Cain
- Quiet Power: The Secret Strengths of Introverted Kids by Susan Cain, Gregory Mone, and Erica Moroz
- Susan Cain’s TED Talk: The Power of Introverts
- Dance Me to the End of Love by Leonard Cohen
- Famous Blue Raincoat by Leonard Cohen
- Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen
- Hinach Yafah (You Are Beautiful) by The Idan Raichel Project
- Saudade: An Untranslatable, Undeniably Potent Word by Jasmine Garsd, alt.latino
- O Canto Da Saudade (Pam) by Madredeus
- Saudade by Cesária Évora
- East Rock Capital
- SubPac M2X Wearable Physical Audio System
- Making Sense of People: The Science of Personality Differences by Samuel Barondes
- The Big Five Personality Theory: The 5 Factor Model Explained by Courtney Ackerman, Positive Psychology Program
- The Big Lebowski
- In Over Our Heads: The Mental Demands of Modern Life by Robert Kegan
- Changing on the Job: Developing Leaders for a Complex World by Jennifer Garvey Berger
- Immunity to Change: How to Overcome It and Unlock the Potential in Yourself and Your Organization by Robert Kegan and Lisa Laskow Lahey
- The Tim Ferriss Show, Episode 22: Ed Catmull, President of Pixar, on Steve Jobs, Stories, and Lessons Learned
- Parable by Louise glück
- Work with Source
- “One Last Time” — Hamilton at the White House
- FINIS Freestyler Hand Paddles
- Cressi Palau Short Snorkeling Swim Fins
- Matiz Gallego Sardines
- Vital Choice Redtresca Salmon Bellies
- Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari
- This is Water by David Foster Wallace
- Integration is Better Than Rigidity or Chaos by Dr. Arnie Kozak
- The Big Short: Inside the Doomsday Machine by Michael Lewis
- Arcadia by Tom Stoppard
- The Quiet Master of Cryptocurrency — Nick Szabo
Show Notes
- Introducing Soman Chainani. [06:18]
- Three books that help Soman work creatively, live genuinely, and explore humanity. [07:11]
- What recent purchase of less than $100 had the most positive impact on Soman’s life? [11:18]
- A failure that taught Soman a valuable, but humbling lesson. [13:42]
- Soman’s billboard and musings on life, death, and meditation. [17:11]
- One of the best investments of energy, money, or time Soman has ever made. [19:31]
- An unusual habit or absurd thing that Soman loves, and why he feels the best stories are universal. [22:08]
- In the last five years, what new belief, behavior, or habit has most improved Soman’s life? [24:12]
- What advice would Soman give to a smart, driven college student about to enter the real world — and what advice would he ignore? [26:19]
- Bad advice Soman hears given often to artists. [28:27]
- In the last five years, what has Soman become better at saying “no” to? [29:48]
- What does Soman do to overcome feeling unfocused or overwhelmed? [31:12]
- Introducing Susan Cain. [32:32]
- How has a failure or apparent failure set Susan up for later success? [33:30]
- One of Susan’s most worthwhile investments of time. [36:14]
- An unusual habit or absurd thing Susan loves. [37:40]
- Susan’s favorite word in any language. [39:01]
- What advice would Susan give a smart, driven college student about to enter the real world? [40:02]
- What does Susan do to overcome feeling unfocused or overwhelmed? [43:06]
- Introducing Graham Duncan. [44:02]
- An unusual habit or absurd thing Graham loves. [45:07]
- What would Graham’s billboard say? [45:43]
- Books that have greatly influenced Graham’s life and the mental models that guide how he thinks about people and teams. [47:17]
- What recent purchase of less than $100 had the most positive impact on Graham’s life? [57:44]
- How has a failure or apparent failure set Graham up for later success? [58:49]
- Bad recommendations Graham often hears in his field. [1:01:20]
- What does Graham do to overcome feeling unfocused or overwhelmed? [1:02:59]
- In the last five years, what new belief, behavior, or habit has most improved Graham’s life? [1:03:50]
- What advice would Graham give a smart, driven college student about to enter the real world? [1:04:51]
People Mentioned
- Soman Chainani
- Susan Cain
- Graham Duncan
- Brian Koppelman
- Celine Dion
- Bill Gates
- Leonard Cohen
- Idan Raichel
- Josh Waitzkin
- Bobby Fischer
- Kwame Anthony Appiah
- George Saunders
- Samuel Barondes
- Leonardo da Vinci
- Robocop
- Bill Clinton
- Barack Obama
- The Dude
- Woody Allen
- Kanye West
- Scott Barry Kaufman
- Robert Kegan
- Jennifer Garvey Berger
- Laird Hamilton
- Gabrielle Reece
- Ed Catmull
- Steve Ballmer
- Satya Nadella
- George Washington
- Alexander Hamilton
- Ray Dalio
- Yuval Noah Harari
- Byron Katie
- David Foster Wallace
- Dan Siegel
- Robert M. Pirsig
- Mike Burry
- Eddie Lampert
- Steve Jobs
- Elon Musk
- Ayn Rand
- Steve Eisman
- Michael Lewis
- Tom Stoppard
- Charlie Munger
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So key to remember Tim that life is one big opportunity. We seize the mini opps and run with them, or we let fear convince us into believing that we are risking too much. Think abundance; as Emerson said, all life is an experiment, the more experiments, the better. That’s how I see things.
Great insights as always.
Ryan
My favorite lesson from this episode is that we should not take jobs as steppingstones to something else if we aren’t actually invested in it because life is too short… This was life-changing for me!!
Hi Tim, Just read the 5 Bullet Friday – if you are thinking of going paperless you need to check out [Remarkable tablet]. I’ve been using it for a few months now and it is awesome. Sync’s your notes to desktop, and phone. The writing/sketching experience is just like paper. Good Luck – Dave
Soman is so inspiring to listen to! Perfect mix of creative and task-oriented inspirational advice from him – please bring him on the podcast again for a full round 2? (Maybe when his movie is released hint hint) Thanks again Tim for providing us with inspiration!
Definitely a great podcast. What stood up to me was Susan Cain’s part since I’ve already looked over some of her work before. It’s really eye-opening for many people to see that it takes patience and sometimes you don’t hit a home run from the get-go.
7 years to write a book and going from law to psychology is a road that you wouldn’t necessarily find too appealing if you’re just starting, but patience is the name of the game, as seen many many times.
Looking forward to more interesting episodes.
//Felix
Hi Tim,
I run a university student association in Montreal. This April we are hosting a conference open to all Montreal universities around topics of the future workplace. Approx 140 students, I absolutely loved Tribe of Mentors and and reaching out to see if you would be willing to sponsor the event in the form of your new book. It would be an amazing fit for attendees given all the topics covered. Please let me know!
Lauren
Ok Tim, You have piqued my interest. I found your Ted Talks on Fear Setting and the 4Hr Work Week quite interesting. I understand you suffer from some issue regarding bipolar; in my case, my family suffers from schizophrenia. I had a brother who tried to commit suicide; he was unsuccessful. I myself in the low points of life dabbled but was not able to consummate the inevitable. I say all this to point back to your Stoic philosophy. I have burnt out of religion specifically Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam. What has inspired me is your idea of noting the cost of inaction. Goal setting has been a mainstay of management philosophy; however; inaction often carries more weight in the long run.
Myself, I have been avoiding fate for far too long. Your video helped me refocus my energy on inner strengths versus external influences. You may not understand but the loyalties and family obligations of the East Indian entrepreneurial business ventures often leads to conflict between first and second generation constituents. So much so that I had to re-read Noah Wasserman article on Founder’s Dilemma (Harvard Business Review, Feb. 2008) and internalize your lessons on Stoicism. What I found pertinent was the four attribute of Stoicism that have commonality amongst all religions: Wisdom, Tolerance, Virtue, and Courage. Although I was raised Hindu, I found Christianity had many appeals most notably the lack of class structure. “He who is last is first amongst the Kingdom” which correlates with humility in Stoic philosophy.
I know your quite a busy guy and you get a lot of fan mail but you REALLY STRUCK a CHORD with me. Thank you for being that “Guinea Pig” to understand the human psychic and apply it to day-to day living.
~Jay
Thanks for the great article.
Hey Tim, very insightful commentary in this podcast! But, but, but, it sounds like you weren’t there and just cut in your vocals? I’m not sure this is a good idea if you’re trying to be more efficient. Takes away from quality. IMO.
Any chance you will do a long form interview with Graham Duncan for your podcast? His chapter in Tribe of Mentors was great, this podcast expanded a bit more than the book, but it seems like he has a lot more offer.
Hi Tim, I’m a huge fan of Susan Cain’s so I loved her entire segment. But Soman’s comments about beauty really hit me like a lightning bolt, and triggered a cleanup of my social media, especially Instagram, which in particular had devolved into a kind of personal wasteland of beauty, devoid of substance. Thanks for this.
I also loved Soman’s recommendation of Pressfield’s “War of Art” which, no matter how many times I read it, is always a fantastic kick in the pants.
Graham gave so many nuggets for thought, that I’m still unpacking them and probably don’t have time to write up a full comment here, but needless to say, I’ll be looking into his recommendations further!
Marvellous, in three different ways. Having started to pore into Tribe of Mentors, I enjoyed hearing expanded answers – bonus material! – here, in particular from Graham Duncan. One-clicked on Immunity to Change after hearing about Keegan’s personality and actualization models at 49:07.
And, I like the format Tim.
More Susan Cain and Graham Duncan please!
I was in Dubai Mall last week and walked into the largest bookstore I have ever known. Kinokuniya – Excellent store. There in the front and centre of the table at the entrance was Tribe of Mentors. Congratulations Tim!
Very motivative audios. Thank you for sharing the introduction and wonderful instructions from Soman Chainani. Very motivating.