“‘Good enough’ equals shitty.”
– Brian Grazer
Brian Grazer (@BrianGrazer) is an Academy Award-winning producer and New York Times bestselling author (A Curious Mind: The Secret to a Bigger Life, with Charles Fishman) who has been making movies and television programs for more than 25 years. Grazer and his longtime friend and business partner Ron Howard began their collaboration in 1985 on the hit comedies Nightshift and Splash, and in 1986 they founded Imagine Entertainment.
In 2002, Grazer won an Oscar for Best Picture for A Beautiful Mind (shared with Ron Howard). In 2007, he was named one of Time‘s “100 Most Influential People in the World.” His films and TV series have been nominated for 43 Academy Awards and 131 Emmys.
In this episode, we discuss:
- Brian’s “supertool” that helped him get ahead in business.
- How to pitch people to create opportunity.
- Favorite failures and lessons learned.
- Brian’s criteria for choosing what movies to make.
- How to develop better decision-making abilities.
- And much, much more.
This episode was recorded in front of a live, sold-out audience of about 2,000 people at Summit LA17 in Los Angeles. Enjoy!
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Scroll below for links and show notes…
Selected Links from the Episode
- Connect with Brian Grazer:
Website | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook
- A Curious Mind: The Secret to a Bigger Life by Brian Grazer and Charles Fishman
- Summit LA17
- Friday Night Lights: the book, the film, and the series.
- Basic Butterfly Stroke Technique
- Warner Bros. Studio
- The Exorcist by William Peter Blatty
- The Godfather
- Love Story
- Universal Studios
- Heaven Can Wait
- Mr. Deeds Goes to Town
- Wide World of Sports
- Zuma Beach
- Splash
- Night Shift
- Paramount Studios
- Happy Days
- The Andy Griffith Show
- Dunkirk
- Genius
- Tulane University
- University of Texas at Austin 2014 Commencement Address — Admiral William H. McRaven
- Dumbo
- The Fog of War: Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara
- When LA Erupted In Anger: A Look Back At The Rodney King Riots by Maureen Pao and Karen Grisby Bates, NPR
- Eye Contact: The Power of One on One by Brian Grazer
- 8 Mile
- Apollo 13
- Braveheart
- Sidney Poitier announces Best Picture at the 68th Academy Awards in 1996.
- A Beautiful Mind
- A Beautiful Mind Wins Best Picture: 2002 Oscars
- Fear
- National Lampoon’s Animal House
- Stripes
- Gucci
Show Notes
- Introducing Brian. [08:55]
- Brian tells us how his 4’10 grandmother championed his curiosity at an early age. [10:42]
- On the trauma of being cut from his high school football team in front of 300 classmates. [12:25]
- Why Brian stayed in college despite the urgings of one teacher dubiously named “Mr. French.” [19:00]
- Why Brian went (and then discontinued going) to law school. [22:01]
- Working as a law clerk at the Warner Bros. legal department wasn’t glamorous, but it gave enterprising Brian the opportunity to make connections. [23:45]
- What was Brian’s “supertool of curiosity” that got him invited to watch studio heads work? [27:55]
- Lew Wasserman’s no-B.S. advice to Brian at their first meeting. [31:52]
- Brian wasn’t above using financial bribery to avoid being fired. [34:22]
- How does Brian’s modern pitch for meeting important people differ from when he first started? [35:09]
- From fired law clerk to fired up aspirations of becoming a studio executive. [39:37]
- How Brian’s partnership with Ron Howard came about. [44:44]
- What advice would Brian give to others who are trying to cultivate their own curiosity? [47:35]
- Advice for contacting someone who is hard to reach. [50:44]
- How do people blow it when reaching out to Brian? [52:34]
- How does Brian choose lunch companionship? [56:23]
- Does Brian ever go out of his way to meet people with whom he knows he’ll disagree? [1:00:44]
- The story behind Brian’s signature hairstyle. [1:06:20]
- How did the movie 8 Mile come to be? [1:08:26]
- A favorite failure and lessons learned. [1:16:56]
- Brian’s criteria for choosing movies to make. [1:24:21]
- An example of what can happen when a good story’s perspective is miscalibrated for its audience. [1:27:55]
- What separates a good producer from a great producer? [1:30:21]
- Can taste be developed or is it fixed? [1:32:47]
- On keeping a gratitude journal and parting thoughts. [1:34:43]
People Mentioned
- Sue Mengers
- Warren Beatty
- William Peter Blatty
- Ted Ashley
- John Calley
- Frank Wells
- Mel Brooks
- Richard Brooks
- Robert Evans
- Lew Wasserman
- Henry Kissinger
- Melody Sherwood
- Barbara Walters
- Edgar J. Scherick
- Scott Rudin
- Tom Hanks
- Ron Howard
- Michael Eisner
- Barry Diller
- Louisa Velis
- Rem Koolhaas
- Thomas Costa Grazer
- Walter Isaacson
- Albert Einstein
- Gucci Mane
- LeBron James
- Gabe Johns
- William H. McRaven
- Edward Teller
- Jeff Bezos
- Isaac Asimov
- Janet Asimov
- Robert S. McNamara
- Daryl Gates
- Rodney King
- Sage Grazer
- Ol’ Dirty Bastard
- Slick Rick
- Chuck D
- Frank Rich
- Eminem
- Jimmy Iovine
- Sidney Poitier
- Jim Lovell
- Russell Crowe
- Sandra Bullock
- Nicole Kidman
- Mark Wahlberg
- Reese Witherspoon
- Harold Ramis
- Alessandro Michele
- FranÁois Pinault
- Veronica Smiley
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Podcast guest request: Jerry Seinfeld
Great Podcast! Wow that guy can talk and is full of great stories!
This was the absolute HIGHLIGHT of my entire Summit Series experience Tim. I had just read A Curious Mind 3 weeks prior, and I didn’t even know Brian was going to be there. Was great fun to watch you both!
I eagerly and patiently await your interview with Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson…
The LA17 Summit Nov 2017looked phenomenal!! Listening to the talks, post summit, would be equally as phenomenal! Doesn’t appear there is that type of offering, unless I missed it. Always a joy to listen to T.Ferriss, Thank You!
A Beautiful Mind … … just one of those books/films that is a must… …
Thanks for this – again
Oh and not just historically, but “Apollo 13” was, is and will forever will be a way way better film than that traversity… … Braveheart
This interview was, indeed, hilarious. I especially loved his description of people’s reaction to his hair and his reasons why he adores it. 🙂 ‘Tis fun to mess with people in such ways.
Also – the walk of shame awards story. OMG. My neighbors were probably wondering why I was laughing so loud. Could not find the clip online during a casual search unfortunately.
Thanks Tim and Brian G.!!!!
Greetings Tim,
I would like to recommend that you interview Jake Wood. Jake is the founder of Team Rubicon, a veterans-based non-profit that responds internationally to natural disasters with the goals of improving damaged infrastructure and the quality of life of those directly affected. Team Rubicon is an organization for veterans who volunteer in these efforts. It help re-assimilate them to civilian life, is a therapy strategy for coping with PTSD, and among other things, gives them a sense of purpose. Team Rubicon has grown from a handful of veteran founders, to a national organization with international capabilities. Jake Wood has dedicated his life to building this organization so people less fortunate can receive assistance in their greatest time of need. Not only will this help promote Team Rubicon so that more people will join (non-veterans are also welcome), but it can bring more attention to their efforts so that people may be more inclined to financially support their cause, as they rely solely on donations. Thank you for considering Team Rubicon and for all you do to help people. Be well.
Gerard
Thanks! Which Mics do you use for these on-the-go podcasts?
What a storyteller! Hilarious and insightful too.
Just so you know: the crazy Bulgarian guy says “[name of local team] FTW!” Curious as to how where and why you found that.
That was a fascinating discussion by far one of my favourite podcasts! I’d love to see the video for it if it’s available.
Thanks for the bonus chapter! I started a new business recently and I appreciate what you said on the Facebook Live session that every new project you started was chosen to learn something new, so even if it failed, you learned something new in the process. The next few weeks I will remind myself of that. Big fan!
I would love to read your new book, my husband and I were huge fans. In “the 4 Hour work week” you used the word “retarded” disparagingly. We were honestly shocked that someone with your knowledge reduced themselves to such a low level. But, we are here to educate (you see, we have a daughter who really is mentally retarded and contrary to popular belief, words do hurt) and to help change the world in a loving way. So, my question is, does your new book use that word that hurts the intellectually disabled population? Thanks Tim!
to what address can i send TIM FERRISS an email?
A stare hard as ice with a fluid personality follow-up made me pause in Brian Grazer’s interview. It was his description of Eminem.
Listen to his most recent single if you want a serious mind fuck.
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He would be an excellent interview:)
Curiosity conversations every two weeks, done! And I loved the stories of early days and insights into behind the scenes ahead of Oscars day, and preparing to win.
This was one of the most awesome podcasts. So thank you!
You guys are all crazy busy and I understand that most likely nobody will pay attention to this.
However if by some silly luck somebody does.
I’ve heard you say few times that you still do not know what you want to do and variations of this.
Do you ever get anxiety that comes with it? Do you ever feel overwhealmed, like you’re wasting your time?
How do you deal with this and how do you pick the next thing to do and be happy with it?
Any plans to visit London on the book tour?
Awesome takeaways from this podcast and it is a must listen just for the hilarious story of the Oscar night fail and what the astronaut said!
I’m listening to this podcast, and it’s amazing. Thanks for making it.