“Get yourself into a state of calmness, and then ferocity will take care of itself.”
– Stewart Copeland
Stewart Copeland (@copelandmusic) is a Grammy Award-winning musician, considered by Rolling Stone Magazine to be one of the top ten drummers of all time. He’s a founding member of The Police, and an inductee into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
In this conversation, we delve into lessons for surviving the music industry, why entrepreneurs (and self-directed artists) never get a day off, how The Police developed their unique sound, the decision that changed everything, and much more.
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Scroll below for links and show notes…
Selected Links from the Episode
- Connect with Stewart Copeland:
- Strange Things Happen: A Life with The Police, Polo, and Pygmies by Stewart Copeland
- The Police
- The Special Operations Executive 1940 – 1946 by Nigel Morris, BBC History
- Kim Philby, Spies, and the Dangers of Paranoia by Malcolm Gladwell, The New Yorker
- Wild Thing (The Backstage, on the Road, in the Studio, Off the Charts Memoirs of Ian Copeland) by Ian Copeland
- Eberhard Schoener / The Police — Only the Wind [Rare Live, 1978]
- Andy Summers Curious about Lost Police Gum Ad, Daily Express
- Electric Ladyland by Jimi Hendrix
- Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band by The Beatles
- The White Album by The Beatles
- Stravinsky: Petroushka & The Rite of Spring
- Spinal Tap – “These Go to Eleven…”
- Gene Simmons “Proud to Be a Part of Charity Concert Event in Support of Wildwood School”
- Don’t Worry Be Happy by Bobby McFerrin
- Stewart Copeland live with Ben Hur conducted by Richard Kaufman
- As multifaceted as Stewart’s life has been, his mother’s life could easily be considered more fascinating. [07:28]
- On growing up as an American abroad. [08:58]
- What did Stewart aspire to be when he was a kid? [10:49]
- Stewart talks about leaving Beirut as a teenager when his CIA father’s cover was blown. [11:20]
- “I’m going to have to hang up now — they’re shooting at me personally!” [15:18]
- Stewart’s brother was a war hero. He decided to take a different route. [18:30]
- Stewart’s early entrepreneurial venture with his brother, and the summer vacation that led to the formation of The Police. [22:05]
- Important lessons learned from running his own business in college. [23:55]
- Why dub reggae appealed to London punks in the ’70s, and what “secret weapon” Stewart had in his arsenal from learning drums in Lebanon. [25:39]
- How bringing Andy Summers into The Police put Sting on his A game and helped the band transcend its “punk group” roots. [26:45]
- How did The Police make stylistic decisions? [31:06]
- On musical differences, synergy, co-dependence, and the changing dynamic of The Police during their recording career. [32:50]
- How scoring a film differs from playing drums in a band. [36:48]
- For people who don’t know drums, Stewart explains why he plays with traditional grip — and what that means. [45:00]
- Top three favorite albums. [47:26]
- Three favorite drummers. [48:28]
- What weaknesses does Stewart encounter in his own work, and how does he overcome them? [50:19]
- Is Stewart the Indiana Jones of rock and roll? [54:51]
- That time Stewart and Gene Simmons argued about Old Testament theology backstage at a charity event. [58:16]
- Are there any inspirational quotations that influence Stewart’s lifestyle? [59:54]
- Advice to a musician getting ready for their first “big” performance. [1:01:09]
- On the capacity of some to switch from “on” to “off” (and vice versa) before performing. [1:03:11]
- Francis Ford Coppola
- Oliver Stone
- Lorraine Copeland
- Miles Copeland, Jr.
- Kim Philby
- Fuad Chehab
- Ian Copeland
- Shukri al-Quwatli
- Husni al-Za’im
- Miles Copeland III
- Jordan Copeland
- Topper Headon
- Andy Summers
- Eberhard Schoener
- Felix Mendelssohn
- Johannes Brahms
- Buddy Rich
- Gene Krupa
- Jimi Hendrix
- Igor Stravinsky
- John Bonham
- Clyde Stubblefield
- Mitch Mitchell
- Jon Fishman
- Indiana Jones
- Stephen Stills
- Gene Simmons
- Bob Dylan
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
- Marcelo Garcia
- Michael Jordan
- Mike Tyson
- Wayne Gretzky
Posted on: September 6, 2017.
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